The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[bowlie]

	Quote:	Urs Max
	Since the UK can't negotiate before being out, everything beforehand has to be preliminary. Then when actually the UK is in limbo, that's May's biggest dilemma. Though it doesn't matter who's PM, everybody would be facing the same problem, broadly speaking.

Rubbish. They can negotiate to their hearts content for agreements that take effect after BREXIT. They are doing so.

And even if it was forbidden, how could the EU stop them?

	Quote:	bowlie
	Rubbish. They can negotiate to their hearts content for agreements that take effect after BREXIT. They are doing so.

Not true, I'm afraid. EU members can't negotiate individual agreements whilst still within the bloc.

http://uk.businessinsider.com/eu-war...ump-usa-2017-1

and just for fun, don't worry, it wasn't only you who was unaware of this, but the whole of the UK's Brexit team...

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a7136121.html

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	and just for fun, don't worry, it wasn't only you who was unaware of this, but the whole of the UK's Brexit team... https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a7136121.html

Ouch! Not really a scenario where you should be learning on the job.

[marton]

	Quote:	bowlie
	Rubbish. They can negotiate to their hearts content for agreements that take effect after BREXIT. They are doing so. And even if it was forbidden, how could the EU stop them?

Can you provide information on which trade deals they are negotiating?

The last I heard on this topic was third party countries claimed they did not want to invest resources here because it was simply not possible to get into details on trade deals with the UK before the UK knew at least the key points of the final UK/EU Brexit deal.

[bowlie]

The brits have had preliminary talks with the US on aviation and on trade. It is obvious that the other party wont go beyond tentative discussions until details from the UK-EU agreements are known.

And again, what can the EU do about it? Refuse to negotiate? I don't think so.

Rumour has it the the UK CAA is hiring people by the busloads to engage in these forbidden agreements. (Sorry I don't have a link for this, but it is the scuttlebutt in the industry)

[Urs Max]

	Quote:	bowlie
	The brits have had preliminary talks with the US on aviation and on trade. It is obvious that the other party wont go beyond tentative discussions until details from the UK-EU agreements are known.

preliminary talks =/= negotiations

Preliminary talks are just that, a load of warm air that, contrary to negotiations, is completely non-binding. So marton's request is still open.

	Quote:	bowlie
	And again, what can the EU do about it? Refuse to negotiate? I don't think so.

This applies to every international treaty, (short of an invasion) there's nothing you can do if the counterpart breaks it.

But don't you think other countries would notice? Why bother negotiating when the UK can't be trusted in the first place? Why else would the UK agree to a divorce payment of £40-50bln?

The UK are in desperate need of new agreements and treaties on their international relations, trade, air traffic, services in general and finance and banking in particular, and a gazillion of other issues. How would such a breach of contract influence all those negotiations, most of which are yet to be held?

[TobiasM]

The EU just signed off on the world's biggest free trade deal with Japan, removing tariffs on most goods.

Looks like we can wave goodbye to Nissan, Toyota, Honda....any of the other hundreds of Japanese companies based here......

.....apparently it's the will of the people.😠

	Quote:	TobiasM
	The EU just signed off on the world's biggest free trade deal with Japan, removing tariffs on most goods. Looks like we can wave goodbye to Nissan, Toyota, Honda....any of the other hundreds of Japanese companies based here...... .....apparently it's the will of the people.😠

A free trade deal without FMOP? Well I never.

	Quote:	Loz1983
	A free trade deal without FMOP? Well I never.

It's not quite a free trade deal, but about a 99% free trade deal (i.e. a few tariffs left out) with some quotas. I guess that is why FMOP wasn't insisted upon.

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	UK does not do French style elections. France is ruled by lorry drivers who can legally block roads whenever they like, not by the government.

OK, let's take that at face value and agree ...

so, have you forgotten the UK is a small agglomeration of islands by any chance. How od you think we will be able to implement any unicorn trade deals with the far reaches of the world - if the French, and the lorry drivers and farmers in particular get angry- they will be able to blocade the UK as and when they will -no? And don't say we will fly everything in and out instead of using lorries and EU ports- because that will not be possible either.

As for the 'they need us more than we do' - it has been blown to pieces as nonsense- so no need to repeat again.

Anna Soubry- wow - she has more integrity and balls than all of them together.

[Reb77Br]

Vote Leave: Brexit campaign 'broke electoral law' in referendum

"Brexit campaign group Vote Leave has been fined £61,000 and referred to the police after an Electoral Commission probe said it broke electoral law."

[marton]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	A free trade deal without FMOP? Well I never.

Worth reading ANNEX 8-C UNDERSTANDING ON MOVEMENT OF NATURAL PERSONS FOR BUSINESS PURPOSES here which is a small step in this direction..

[Blueangel]

Worth 47 minutes of your time for anyone who's interested.

	Quote:
	Robert Peston‏Verified account @PestonSir John Major on excoriating form, telling me there is "undoubtedly" a "case for a second referendum", that Theresa May's "bastards" are far more dangerous than his, and that there is a strong likelihood of a referendum in the autumn John Major: 'Undoubtedly a case for second EU referendum" as he hits... Sir John Major has told ITV News the Conservative rebels Theresa May is facing over her Brexit plan are more "hardline" and "entrenched" than the Tory MPs wh... youtube.com

https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1019256103442493440

	Quote:	Blueangel
	Worth 47 minutes of your time for anyone who's interested. https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1019256103442493440

John Major being the treacherous shit who dragged us into the EU?

I think I'll give it a miss, thanks.

[Blueangel]

Views from other Brits in Europe...

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	Mark Stone‏Verified account @Stone_SkyNews As #Brexit talks go on & become ever more bitter, I’ve been listening to concerns of Brits living in continental EU. Don’t dismiss them & assume they’re happy, retired on the . Listen to them in this @SkyNews THREAD. Many different worries but all in limbo, stressed, forgotten

https://twitter.com/Stone_SkyNews/st...21256279863297

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	John Major being the treacherous shit who dragged us into the EU? I think I'll give it a miss, thanks.

Back in 1996 you never thought there could ever be a worse Prime Minister, but then along came Gordon Brown. And then Theresa May.

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Back in 1996 you never thought there could ever be a worse Prime Minister, but then along came Gordon Brown. And then Theresa May.

Not to mention Tony "where shall we bomb today?" Blair...

[marton]

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	John Major being the treacherous shit who dragged us into the EU? I think I'll give it a miss, thanks.

According to the Holy Wikipedia he is the hero who negotiated the Single Currency and Social Chapter waivers.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...r-uk-leaves-eu

Bad news for GrumpyGrapefruit and by extension us British Cheese lovers over here!

[josquius]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	A free trade deal without FMOP? Well I never.

There's a difference between a free trade deal and a common market.

The former is fine for two bodies on the other side of the world to each other. It is not fine for two bodies whose economies are inherently interlinked.