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View Poll Results: What would you personally prefer to happen?
I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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Old 18.07.2018, 11:33
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Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Must admit I am getting very confused about the current Brexit plans for an EU deal.

Parliament has voted for a customs union proposal that nobody knows will be accepted by the EU or not and also includes amendments that some people claim actually block the proposal from being implemented?

So far as I understand Parliament has just voted to stay in the EU Medicine regime while the European Medicines Agency office is to be relocated from London to Amsterdam, the Netherlands. Not sure how or if this "stay" is possible or practical since we will have to follow EU directives which eventually will lead to rulings by the European Court of Justice?
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The EU will welcome the UK following any EU organisations standards. They might even be allowed to participate in discussions. But the UK cannot have a vote.
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Old 18.07.2018, 11:43
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The EU will welcome the UK following any EU organisations standards. They might even be allowed to participate in discussions. But the UK cannot have a vote.
And that's somehow a win compared to now. Hmm.
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Old 18.07.2018, 11:50
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There's nothing that remotely resembles a win when it comes to Brexit. On all fronts it's a astounding defeat and loss of sovereignty.


Which is probably why it will never happen.
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Old 18.07.2018, 11:53
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Must admit I am getting very confused about the current Brexit plans for an EU deal.
I'm hitting a new low in my disgust with the British parliamentary system and a cross party swathe of MPs. Loyalty and responsibility have gone out of the window. Cable and Farron didn't bother to turn up for a crucial vote because they didn't think it would be won by a 3 vote margin Labour MP's voted with the government even though it thwarted the possibility of an imminent G.E. Theresa May is losing vote after vote on the ERG tabled proposals. Who the flying f*** is running the country?!!! Theresa May's government (what's left of it) or the 35 or so secret squirrel goons of the ERG?

Last night, Chukku Umunna said he's personally witnessed levels of abuse and bullying that he's never before seen in parliament, and I'm more than inclined to believe him. I wish there was a way to go over the current mps with a fine toothed comb and weedle out all the ones who've not turned up for work, behaved in a disgraceful manner, been a bullying little shite or not done the work that's expected of them. A corporate employee rule book would cut the size of the current house down considerably.
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A correspondent interviewed on the BBC last night said that an MP had spoken to him about other MPs in terms that were unbroadcastable.
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Old 18.07.2018, 16:31
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If anyone fancies watching the 'other side' of May come out, check out her giving evidence to the Liason Committee. Quite fascinating to see how she responds when caught on the back foot.
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EU's Juncker demands 'respect' after drink question on health
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.@theresa_may says 70 "technical notices" for businesses and households will be published in Aug and Sept setting out how we can all prepare for a no-deal Brexit (should that be what happens). Yikes
https://twitter.com/Peston?ref_src=t...Ctwgr%5Eauthor



Well at least it will cancel out the cost of Cameron's referendum leaflet
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Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Mrs May has announced that “technical” leaflets are going to be issued to businesses and households in the event of a no deal. These are due out in August, September and October. They are going to advise people what they need to do to prepare, particularly people with long term medical issues. They’ve, including the brexiters that there will be shortages on the shelves. Apparently fresh fruit and veg is in shorter supply than usual, partly due to hot dry weather, water shortages and lack of pickers, as they either have left or not come over for the picking season. There are also huge concerns about electricity and other utilities supply.

Prepare to send parcels to family back home ... ooops perhaps not, ports will be either blocaded or at a standstill and no flights. Aren't you glad you are out of there hey ... especially those who voted for it! from the safety of their Swiss alpine view.
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Mrs May has announced that “technical” leaflets are going to be issued to businesses and households in the event of a no deal. These are due out in August, September and October. They are going to advise people what they need to do to prepare, particularly people with long term medical issues. They’ve, including the brexiters that there will be shortages on the shelves. Apparently fresh fruit and veg is in shorter supply than usual, partly due to hot dry weather, water shortages and lack of pickers, as they either have left or not come over for the picking season. There are also huge concerns about electricity and other utilities supply.

Prepare to send parcels to family back home ... ooops perhaps not, ports will be either blocaded or at a standstill and no flights. Aren't you glad you are out of there hey ... especially those who voted for it! from the safety of their Swiss alpine view.
Can't wait to quote this back at you in 3 years time.
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Bad news for GrumpyGrapefruit and by extension us British Cheese lovers over here!
This has now surpassed Millennium Bug levels of preposterous proclamations.
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UK flights cannot enter Irish airspace with hard border, Irish leader warns

I hope someone told him.

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I doubt that many who voted for it live outside of the UK.

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It is quite possible for Irish flights to fly around the U.K. A little more difficult for UK flights to fly around EU countries. U.K.-Switzerland impossible. U.K.-Japan possible over Norway and polar Russia. U.K. - Hong Kong barely possible around Ireland to the north and then down and over North Africa.

Yes this is silly, but in the category of ‘Why didn’t anybody mention this before.
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You can always count on Loz to get part of the picture... take a look out on to the North Atlantic and not out difficult it would be the the UK even if they were to accept the less deal being offered to the UK, by the US.... If they are luck they might just be able to squeeze some kind of narrow route out over Scotland....
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It is quite possible for Irish flights to fly around the U.K. A little more difficult for UK flights to fly around EU countries. U.K.-Switzerland impossible. U.K.-Japan possible over Norway and polar Russia. U.K. - Hong Kong barely possible around Ireland to the north and then down and over North Africa.

Yes this is silly, but in the category of ‘Why didn’t anybody mention this before.
The problem is that all agreements fall because of A50 and apart from the offer made by the US, which apparently is not as got as the current agreement, very little if any work has been done on sorting this stuff out.

There is all the little stuff that has not been even considered yet, but it will be big stuff for individuals. For instance people in NI have Irish passports, so crossing the border to work in the South is not an issue, but their driving licenses will no longer be recognised, car insurance will be any issue and so on - or are the going to cycle to work... the same in Gibraltar.

Another area with apparently offers all sorts of challengers is the maintenance of public infrastructure where the requirements used to be EU standards and resulted in a mix of components going into products. So what happens now when a component needs to be replaced and it is from the UK in the EU or vice versa.... are you supposed to replace the entire thing with something excludes UK components? or will there be some kind of exceptions or what?

The Anglo-Irish treaty was signed in 1921 and there are still various statutory instruments etc going through on both sides cleaning stuff up... And this is even bigger.
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I'm afraid that you're completely missing the point.


The comments of the article you've quoted is refering to membership of the European Aviation Safety Agency, EASA. Without active membership of that organisation, UK airlines wouldn't be allowed to fly over Europe. In May's meeting with the Liasons Committee yesterday, she specified that membership of EASA was a minimum requirement that she needed to achieve, and rightly so.


This article explains the issue more fully... https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-b...-idUSKBN1K022K

...and this website, which is very familiar to anyone who works in the air travel industry, lists all the EU banned carriers... https://ec.europa.eu/transport/modes...-ban/search_en

Without active and full membership of EASA, UK airlines will fall somewhere between the two extremes.


What the UK do not have resolution on, is the immediate impact that Brexit will have on the EU-US Open Skies Treaty from March 2019 onwards. The Chequers white paper went some way to resolving the issues surrounding this, though the air industry was still cautious. Alas, those proposals have all but gone into the shredder now.


With the new March-Sept 2019 timetables for scheduled airlines due to be published and loaded on the GDS systems in September 2018, alarm bells are ringing across the industry for the simple reason that further negotiations are only due to take place in Sep-Oct, after Parliament's summer recess. Raab needs to get a wriggle on this week, or serious issues r.e. air travel, will be almost inevitable.
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