The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[amogles]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	Sensible for the EU is to drawn a line under this and move on to deal with other more pressing issues... they want to bring this to a conclusion before the next parliamentary election.

Why that? Are they afraid of power shifts that might favour a different negotiating policy?

Better have Verhoffstad twist May's arm now because we don't want Corbyn to have to face down Krisztina Morvai or whoever after the next elections?

Don't think so somehow.

	Quote:	Jim2007
	There is nothing sensible for them about continue this kind of nonsense for the next 10 or 12 years.

[StirB]

	Quote:	amogles
	Better have Verhoffstad twist May's arm now because we don't want Corbyn to have to face down Krisztina Morvai or whoever after the next elections?

God help us if we're represented by someone who might talk and listen, rather than someone who attempts to force impossible agenda after impossible agenda on the EU.

[Urs Max]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	There is nothing sensible for them about continue this kind of nonsense for the next 10 or 12 years.

The idea is to not have this kind of chaos in the first place. That would also be in the EU's best interest because the continental economy will be negatively affected by what looks like a completely inept handling of it all.

[fatmanfilms]

https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/no...140707689.html

No deal will cost EU 1.5% growth, roll it on I would say

[StirB]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/no...140707689.html No deal will cost EU 1.5% growth, roll it on I would say

That's not what your link says. It says that the countries in the EU will lose around 1.5% economic output, not growth. Britain is already about the slowest growing developed economy going, I'm not sure we should be rubbing our hands in glee if other countries start to decline.

Your link seems to suggest that the mean value to EU countries of having Britain as a full partner is only 1.5% of GDP.

Any idea how much GDP Britain is expected to lose upon exit of the EU?

Your attitude very much reeks of cut my nose off to spite my face.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	StirB
	Your attitude very much reeks of cut my nose off to spite my face.

Not at all, the EU behaves as a bully, the sooner it goes bankrupt the better. Why help your competitors?

[baboon]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/no...140707689.html No deal will cost EU 1.5% growth, roll it on I would say

As StirB said, 1.5% points off off term economic output. BTW the UK government's studies assuming a similar hard Brexit reckon on a cost of 8% points off UK output.

[StirB]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	The EU behaves as a bully...

What is this? High School Musical? Grow up.

[Sandgrounder]

Remind me which campaign was Project Fear..?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ars?CMP=twt_gu

	Quote:
	Michael Gove has admitted that the official leave campaign should not have stoked fears about Turkish immigration during the 2016 Brexit referendum. [...] During the campaign Gove claimed that Turkey and four other countries could join the EU as soon as 2020, and their accession could lead to 5.2 million extra people moving to the UK by 2030 under free movement. The Conservative minister was asked by Tom Baldwin, a former communications director for Ed Miliband, in his book Ctrl Alt Delete whether he had been happy making appeals to “some very low sentiments” in the context of concerns over Turkish immigration. The minister replied: “I know what you mean, yes. If it had been left entirely to me the leave campaign would have a slightly different feel. “I would have to go back and look at everything I said and think whether that was the right response at the right time. There is a sense at the back of my mind that we didn’t get everything absolutely right. It’s a difficult one.”

Don't know whether to be more embarrassed about the nation's con merchants and charlatans running the country or the sad gammons who rabidly lapped all this stuff up and voted Leave on the strength of it.

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Not at all, the EU behaves as a bully, the sooner it goes bankrupt the better.

Like I said before some people's hatred of the EU is more important to them than the impact it will have on their country..... the typical BREXIT attitude.

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Why help your competitors?

And yet you consider the EU is a bully when it applies the rules all sides agreed to and refuses to disadvantage itself.

[Odile]

Malta and France are in the EU, no- and Switzerland has reciprocal agreements with EU, just in case you have not noticed. So will you go back to your beloved UK soon?

[Urs Max]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Not at all, the EU behaves as a bully, the sooner it goes bankrupt the better. Why help your competitors?

Actually it's called "the EU politicians are doing their job", they're getting at least a good deal for their constituency. Whether the UK likes the offer should no longer be any of their concern.

You are even advocating for the UK to cut their nose to spite the EU yet you complain about others protecting their interests. Go figure.

[Fish Paste]

I See a great opportunity for a pro-EU political party in the UK in the (long away) future.

The Conservatives are Brexit(ish), Labour are unknowns.

Both are toast IMHO, as neither party are clear on their colours and are showing themselves up to both be a right shower of sh1te.

If the Lib Dems come out with all MPs pro european, they could, in theory, pick up 48% of the vote, or even more, leaving 52% to the others, and start the long road back into EU.
Perhaps it'll even be an end to the two party setup that has lasted for so long.

Meantime, looks like it'll soon be time to stock pile the Cathedral Extra Mature.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	Fish Paste
	Meantime, looks like it'll soon be time to stock pile the Cathedral Extra Mature.

psst! Aldi's extra mature is pretty decent

[MusicChick]

I got Casino cheddar in my fridge to make tom/cheddar soup when I get home, thankgod for knock-offs.

[pdofr]

	Quote:	Fish Paste
	If the Lib Dems come out with all MPs pro european, they could, in theory, pick up 48% of the vote, or even more, leaving 52% to the others, and start the long road back into EU. Perhaps it'll even be an end to the two party setup that has lasted for so long.

The Lib Dems looked like they might offer an end to the two party setup when they were formed, but alas, that didn't happen.

To be honest, it was that long ago, I've forgotten what did happen to them. The Falklands War was probably a factor.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	Odile
	Malta and France are in the EU, no- and Switzerland has reciprocal agreements with EU, just in case you have not noticed. So will you go back to your beloved UK soon?

You clearly have not heard of the commonwealth, quite amazing ignorance from someone who lived in the UK for so long & has a British passport.

[StirB]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	You clearly have not heard of the commonwealth, quite amazing ignorance from someone who lived in the UK for so long & has a British passport.

I had no idea France and Switzerland were in the Commonwealth, thanks for the history lesson!

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	You clearly have not heard of the commonwealth, quite amazing ignorance from someone who lived in the UK for so long & has a British passport.

Ah yes, those would be the countries the UK ditched on joining the EEC and who they now expect to welcome them back with open arms and disadvantage themselves to give the UK the best trade deals... like for instance New Zealand among others who are objecting to the the proposed UK trade schedules.

[TobiasM]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Not at all, the EU behaves as a bully, the sooner it goes bankrupt the better. Why help your competitors?

No it doesn’t, it is just not going to give concessions to a country that wants to exist outside of EU agreements. Why on earth should the UK have the same trade agreements, but not agree to, shared law and immigration and customs? Or to pay our portion of cash for, research, education, arts, environment etc... There is so much more to being in the EU then market competitiveness. Those who want out just don’t understand it!