The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	I will have lived there more than 5 years by BREXIT, so it's not something I could try.

So you are relying on EU FMOP to get you permanent residence status. Classic.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	So you are relying on EU FMOP to get you permanent residence status. Classic.

Nope I don’t want permanent residency as I will loose the taxation benefits.
I could always live on a boat........

Of course nothing stops me from buying an EU passport, plenty of countries allow 3 rd country investors to reside including CH . It’s not as if I want to work

[Odile]

Passports will be scanned and timed- both in France and Switzerland.

Now do not want to hit below the belt- but access to healthcare may be a problem. Bupa's policies may well change for 3rd country residents- and perhaps boat residents nowhere. Waters do belong to individual countries. Ond day you might even become an OAP and require permanent residence somewhere ...

[Urs Max]

	Quote:
	No it doesn’t, it is just not going to give concessions to a country that wants to exist outside of EU agreements. Why on earth should the UK have the same trade agreements, but not agree to, shared law and immigration and customs? Or to pay our portion of cash for, research, education, arts, environment etc... There is so much more to being in the EU then market competitiveness. Those who want out just don’t understand it!

Indeed that's the crazy thing. When the EU representatives do their job and try to get the best for their constituency it's bullying whereas when May does the same it's well-justified self-interest.

[TobiasM]

	Quote:	Urs Max
	Indeed that's the crazy thing. When the EU representatives do their job and try to get the best for their constituency it's bullying whereas when May does the same it's well-justified self-interest.

Exactly and thats the way the British tabloids sell it. It's an attitude of entitlement that harks back to colonialism.

[greenmount]

	Quote:	TobiasM
	Exactly and thats the way the British tabloids sell it. It's an attitude of entitlement that harks back to colonialism.

What? Nooo.....it can't be that.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	Odile
	Passports will be scanned and timed- both in France and Switzerland. Now do not want to hit below the belt- but access to healthcare may be a problem. Bupa's policies may well change for 3rd country residents- and perhaps boat residents nowhere. Waters do belong to individual countries. Ond day you might even become an OAP and require permanent residence somewhere ...

Talking nonsense as ever, time spent in Schengen area is what counts. Malta is a Schengen country so no passport check. You should know better.
I pay in cash in CH for every treatment whilst non resident & paid in full whilst resident so no change whatsoever. The idea of a boat is you don't stay anywhere very long. Panama is obviously on the shortlist.
Project fear from Odile, what a joke.

[Odile]

If Rees Mogg and co get the 'no deal' they want and are aiming for, and Raab and co refuse to pay the 'divorce' bill which has been agreed-

*it will hit the fan- big time. Call it project fear if you wish.

You have a British passport or a EU one? British passport will have to go to the non EU queue, Schengen or no Schengen, and irrespective of where you travel from.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	The idea of a boat is you don't stay anywhere very long. Panama is obviously on the shortlist. Project fear from Odile, what a joke.

Project 'Desperate Measures' #i'malrightjack from FMF.

I hear Costa Rica is the destination of choice.

[TobiasM]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	Project 'Desperate Measures' #i'malrightjack from FMF. I hear Costa Rica is the destination of choice.

I recall, I was called landlord scum, for renting out my flat. By a tax exile with acres of land in the UK. Oh the irony.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	Odile
	Passports will be scanned and timed- both in France and Switzerland. Now do not want to hit below the belt- but access to healthcare may be a problem. Bupa's policies may well change for 3rd country residents- and perhaps boat residents nowhere. Waters do belong to individual countries. Ond day you might even become an OAP and require permanent residence somewhere ...

I suspect you don't frequently fly between Schengen countries, however there is no passport control & passports are not scanned. Passports are sometimes required to board planes but not all the time when flying from CH, DE, FR, IT & MT from personal experience.

	Quote:	TobiasM
	I recall, I was called landlord scum, for renting out my flat. By a tax exile with acres of land in the UK. Oh the irony.

I don't own any land or property in the UK & have not had any for over 20 years, so I guess you don't know the meaning of irony

	Quote:	Blueangel
	Project 'Desperate Measures' #i'malrightjack from FMF. I hear Costa Rica is the destination of choice.

Hardly, I have spent over €100,000 in Malta & France so far this year, If I am not allowed to spend my money in the EU I will spend it elsewhere. Best Powder skiing is in Japan, North America has good skiing so I don't need to spend the winter in France. Plenty of nice places for summer sun. When your retired & always on Holiday going somewhere else is actually a good thing.

[Odile]

You do realise the UK is still in the EU, no? After Brexit, if it happens- queues at airport will require UK passport holders to queue in non EU lines, with our 3rd countries.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	Odile
	You do realise the UK is still in the EU, no? After Brexit, if it happens- queues at airport will require UK passport holders to queue in non EU lines, with our 3rd countries.

I am not talking about travelling outside Schengen. Inside Schengen there are no passport controls, I rarely show a passport.
Pre Schengen there were no passport inspections just wave a Blue British passport. Since Schengen the UK has had lines for everyone. In most EU Airports arriving from non Schengen you have EU Passports & All Passports, I usually go through the All passports as the queue is shorter.

To answer a previous fear point, I don't have an EHIC card so don't get access to reciprocal health treatment in the E.U. That will change when I get a Swiss OAP from age 63/65 & I have to pay for Swiss Health insurance.

Geneva Airport expects Brits to go through the same channel as EU/ Suisse , I love their recent signs.

Edit,

If I were you, I would be more worried about the UK introducing exchange controls that Labour had until Mrs Thatcher came to power. Not being able to take your UK pension income out of the UK every month would amuse me no end.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	I suspect you don't frequently fly between Schengen countries, however there is no passport control & passports are not scanned. Passports are sometimes required to board planes but not all the time when flying from CH, DE, FR, IT & MT from personal experience.

I do fly frequently between Schengen countries and just in the last few months, I've had to show my passport on these flights:

Flight No.: EW 9789
Flight: Zurich - Dusseldorf
Date: 04-25-2018 16:05

TUI Stuttgart to Kos - 4 July 2018
Aegean Athens to Zurich - 8 July 2018

With the TUI flight, it was originally scheduled to depart from Basel, but the flight went tech before boarding and all the passengers had to bussed over to Stuttgart. We had to go through passport control to get outside to the the waiting coaches, even though we hadn't left the airport. Luckily, we were allowed to queue jump to make it out the coaches in time.

But the one that surprised me the most was:

Olympic Kos to Athens - 5 July 2018.
Yes...A domestic Greek flight performed a passport check. There was something going on that day because all the flights were being delayed owing to passport / ID checks, and part of the airport was closed off due to heightened security surrounding an El Al flight.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	I do fly frequently between Schengen countries and just in the last few months, I've had to show my passport on these flights: Flight No.: EW 9789 Flight: Zurich - Dusseldorf Date: 04-25-2018 16:05 TUI Stuttgart to Kos - 4 July 2018 Aegean Athens to Zurich - 8 July 2018 With the TUI flight, it was originally scheduled to depart from Basel, but the flight went tech before boarding and all the passengers had to bussed over to Stuttgart. We had to go through passport control to get outside to the the waiting coaches, even though we hadn't left the airport. Luckily, we were allowed to queue jump to make it out the coaches in time. But the one that surprised me the most was: Olympic Kos to Athens - 5 July 2018. Yes...A domestic Greek flight performed a passport check. There was something going on that day because all the flights were being delayed owing to passport / ID checks, and part of the airport was closed off due to heightened security surrounding an El Al flight.

Show your passport to board a plane or go through immigration?
In any case it's not an issue to me as I am legally in the Schengen area.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Show your passport to board a plane or go through immigration?

You're fully aware that I know the difference so don't even try to fudge on this.

[Dougal's Breakfast]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	You're fully aware that I know the difference so don't even try to fudge on this.

They don't even sell fudge in Greece, so that's you caught out! Ha!

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	Dougal's Breakfast
	They don't even sell fudge in Greece, so that's you caught out! Ha!

You've been out of the country way too long if you believe that's still the case. There's a sickening trend there at the moment for ridiculously rich chocolate desserts with heavy fudge sauce, and Athens was the first place where I saw Nutella fudge I'll stick with the plate full of karpouzi thanks very much.

[Belgianmum]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	You're fully aware that I know the difference so don't even try to fudge on this.

Can you enlighten the rest of us please? It’s not clear from your post (other than the exiting the airport and taking a bus one)exactly what you meant.

It’s not unusual to have to show a passport at the gate or check in when travelling between Schenhen countries but I’ve never been checked or had mine scanned by immigration.

	Quote:	amogles
	Why that? Are they afraid of power shifts that might favour a different negotiating policy? Better have Verhoffstad twist May's arm now because we don't want Corbyn to have to face down Krisztina Morvai or whoever after the next elections? Don't think so somehow.

The EU would hate to have to negotiate with Corbyn, this is no secret.

	Quote:	Sandgrounder
	Remind me which campaign was Project Fear..? https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ars?CMP=twt_gu Don't know whether to be more embarrassed about the nation's con merchants and charlatans running the country or the sad gammons who rabidly lapped all this stuff up and voted Leave on the strength of it.

	Quote:	Odile
	Things are getting pretty drastic when the very party that permitted Brexit no longer talks of "project fear" and now envisages stockpiling food and a 50 year recovery period. Whatever happened to "the easiest deal in history", "sunny uplands" and "350m a week for the NHS"?

Whatever happened to the "punishment budget", "Recession starting Sept 2016" and "500k-800k job losses"?

Bullshit given out by both sides, but you still keep banging on about the NHS.

	Quote:	Jim2007
	Like I said before some people's hatred of the EU is more important to them than the impact it will have on their country..... the typical BREXIT attitude.

Yup, because in 50 years the UK will be laughing. Think of it as a present to our grand children. Short term pain, long term gain.