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I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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Yup, because in 50 years the UK will be laughing. Think of it as a present to our grand children. Short term pain, long term gain.
I'd like to think so.

Instead, I expect the United Kingdom to be a fully absorbed member of the EU by 2025.

If I were to ever meet David Cameron in a dark alley...
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You're fully aware that I know the difference so don't even try to fudge on this.
Your words were 'I've had to show my passport on these flights', so clearly just to board the plane so absolutely nothing to fudge, thank you for being so clear.
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I'd like to think so.

Instead, I expect the United Kingdom to be a fully absorbed member of the EU by 2025.

If I were to ever meet David Cameron in a dark alley...
It's an absolute tightrope at the moment, it's really hard to predict what's going to happen next. This is one possible outcome however there are many others which still could happen.

This is concerning, however the logical outcome when you have a political class doing everything they can to scupper the result of a referendum.
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I'm not refering to where you show your passport along with your boarding pass when checking in luggage, or when boarding a flight.

I think the example that many people here will be familiar with is the passport control on level 1 of Basel airport, which you have to go through if you enter the airport from the Swiss side but your flight is departing from the French side. Also, at immigration.

With the TUI flight that went tech, all the passenngers who had gone to check luggage in were told about the cancellation at that point. However, the system that was supposed to prevent hand luggage only passengers from going through the boarding pass scannning gates to the security channnels, had failed. So, when the flight was finally announced as cancelled at the gate, there were 50+ hand luggage only passengers who had to be led out of the airport through the quickest/shortest route, which meant going through an immigration channel with full passport checks. We initially joined the queue from another arriving flight, but were then allowed to queue jump (still presenting our passports) to make the coaches before they departed for Stuttgart.

Once, and only once, I've been through a portable passport scanning check machine, which was earlier this year (same day as the Zurich - Dusseldorf flight). The Dusseldorf - Manchester flight (obviously non-Schengen) passengers had their passports scanned at the gate as they disembarked the plane. I've never seen that before, and we still had to go through the usual immigration channels after that.

That kind of thing has me searching the news channels for possible security alerts that have brought about such a change or sudden implementation. I totally understand when it happened passing between terminals at Brussels a couple of weeks after the bombing, but when it happens on a late midweek flight into Manchester, my spidey senses prick up.

Because it was part of my previous career to advise clients on such matters, I possibly take more of a mental note when I see a procedure that's out of the ordinary...but I can also tell you which airports allow smoking and at which gates you'll find those facilities, and I used to know off by heart which business class lounges had shower facilities. (geek)
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I am not talking about travelling outside Schengen. Inside Schengen there are no passport controls, I rarely show a passport.
Pre Schengen there were no passport inspections just wave a Blue British passport. Since Schengen the UK has had lines for everyone. In most EU Airports arriving from non Schengen you have EU Passports & All Passports, I usually go through the All passports as the queue is shorter.

To answer a previous fear point, I don't have an EHIC card so don't get access to reciprocal health treatment in the E.U. That will change when I get a Swiss OAP from age 63/65 & I have to pay for Swiss Health insurance.

Geneva Airport expects Brits to go through the same channel as EU/ Suisse , I love their recent signs.

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If I were you, I would be more worried about the UK introducing exchange controls that Labour had until Mrs Thatcher came to power. Not being able to take your UK pension income out of the UK every month would amuse me no end.
Yes, it is how it is now - I am talking post Brexit when UK passport holders will be asked to queue ... in the other queue.
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Yes, it is how it is now - I am talking post Brexit when UK passport holders will be asked to queue ... in the other queue.
You say "the other queue" like it's a bad thing.
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Just look at the length of the other queue- it takes quite a while to scan all those passorts and check data with worldwide security sites, etc.

Point is, what happens currently is irrelevant. And as we are hurtling towards No Deal, as this is what Ress Mogg and co have been planning all along - the goodwill may well pfffff.

Thank you for your good wishes re our pensions FMF- how kind and predicatable. In the meantime, you will no doubt have loads of fun when the Pound tanks, playing with the Russian oligarches. It is all about money and disaster politics is very lucrative. *******s.
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Just look at the length of the other queue- it takes quite a while to scan all those passorts and check data with worldwide security sites, etc.

Point is, what happens currently is irrelevant. And as we are hurtling towards No Deal, as this is what Ress Mogg and co have been planning all along - the goodwill may well pfffff.
What goodwill?
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Old 23.07.2018, 16:13
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Yes, it is how it is now - I am talking post Brexit when UK passport holders will be asked to queue ... in the other queue.
There is no queue at all in the Schengen area, this will not change because of BREXIT.

I don't think the pound will get much lower than it's been in the last 2 years, certainly not as low as it was in the financial crisis. I own equities so as the £ falls the price in £ rises so exchange rate is largely irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. A weaker £ is good for the UK, most countries including CH dream of a weaker currency.
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For anyone who missed the Andrew Marr interview with Dominic Raab yesterday, the full transcript is here. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/22071801.pdf

|The remark that has stuck in my mind since watching the interview is... .

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- Raab.

It's your freaking job to, ya numpty!
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Andrew Marr should have made him answer the question, and repeat it until time was over. Disgusted. Now Jeremy Hunt today says we are walking towards No Deal by accident - when we all know that this is what Rees Mogg and co wanted all along- for all the wrong reasons.

And the Equivalence proposal for the City has been firmly turned down by EU, as was clear they would do, as it would put the EU at a great disadvantage. And it is now proposed to lower taxes for City financiers to try and stop them from taking their business elsewhere.
Getting better by the day.

I shall be nearly 120 in 50 years, my kids will be in their 90s and grandkids coming up for retirement (if such thing still exists) - I am sure they will be very grateful. Luckily, they have access to 3 nationalities, including one EU - they are very lucky.
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Geneva Airport expects Brits to go through the same channel as EU/ Suisse , I love their recent signs.
Nope sorry, that sign isn't recent. It's been there since before the Brexit vote. I've wondered about it too.
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yep, been there ages. We are talking about post Brexit- not before.

And anyhow makes the Schengen non Schengen comment a bit daft... or as UK sudenly become part of Schengen- it is such a mess at the moment, hard to keep up!

We are talking about passports, post Brexit. I've been to Malta and Sicily, and Crete, many times over last few years- and seen plenty of people been asked for passports at present- as they are places where illegal immigrants arrive from Africa.
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Nope sorry, that sign isn't recent. It's been there since before the Brexit vote. I've wondered about it too.
Not correct, it came after the Brexit vote It would have made no sense before.
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DB, it has been a very long time since we agreed on anything, but I am with ou 100% on that one:

'If I were to ever meet David Cameron in a dark alley... '

oh I wish ...
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yep, been there ages. We are talking about post Brexit- not before.

And anyhow makes the Schengen non Schengen comment a bit daft... or as UK sudenly become part of Schengen- it is such a mess at the moment, hard to keep up!

We are talking about passports, post Brexit. I've been to Malta and Sicily, and Crete, many times over last few years- and seen plenty of people been asked for passports at present- as they are places where illegal immigrants arrive from Africa.
I thought you were talking to me, I rarely go to the UK & stay in Schengen most of the time.

Sounds like your being racist, if the plane comes from Schengen they won't get checked as there is no manned gate. If the plane arrives from Africa there will be passport control.
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Not correct, it came after the Brexit vote It would have made no sense before.
I beg to differ Sir, I've been travelling to the UK since before Brexit and was quite amused to see it already at the time.
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Oh dear Fatmansfilm - YOU posted the photo of a sign at Geneva arport- not me.

Racist- well no! But living in Malta, you know very well that illegal immigrants from Africa do not arrive in Malta, or Sicily, by plane...
but yes, if they try to fly onwards, or take the train- they will be stopped. And whether that is racist or targetting- is for another discussion.
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I'm afraid that you're completely missing the point.


The comments of the article you've quoted is refering to membership of the European Aviation Safety Agency, EASA. Without active membership of that organisation, UK airlines wouldn't be allowed to fly over Europe. In May's meeting with the Liasons Committee yesterday, she specified that membership of EASA was a minimum requirement that she needed to achieve, and rightly so.


This article explains the issue more fully... https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-b...-idUSKBN1K022K

...and this website, which is very familiar to anyone who works in the air travel industry, lists all the EU banned carriers... https://ec.europa.eu/transport/modes...-ban/search_en

Without active and full membership of EASA, UK airlines will fall somewhere between the two extremes.


What the UK do not have resolution on, is the immediate impact that Brexit will have on the EU-US Open Skies Treaty from March 2019 onwards. The Chequers white paper went some way to resolving the issues surrounding this, though the air industry was still cautious. Alas, those proposals have all but gone into the shredder now.


With the new March-Sept 2019 timetables for scheduled airlines due to be published and loaded on the GDS systems in September 2018, alarm bells are ringing across the industry for the simple reason that further negotiations are only due to take place in Sep-Oct, after Parliament's summer recess. Raab needs to get a wriggle on this week, or serious issues r.e. air travel, will be almost inevitable.
Overflight is governed by a separate treaty that has absolutely nothing to do with the EU. Whilst there is undeniably issues with Aviation that need resolving, his was posturing by Varadkar and nothing more. He'd do well to remember that in the event of no deal, it's his country that will be hit hardest out of all the EU nations.
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Overflight is governed by a separate treaty that has absolutely nothing to do with the EU. Whilst there is undeniably issues with Aviation that need resolving, his was posturing by Varadkar and nothing more. He'd do well to remember that in the event of no deal, it's his country that will be hit hardest out of all the EU nations.
Permits will be needed to overfly countries that are not signatories of the IASTA.
Currently the UK benefits from EU treaties for overfly permits with some countries that the UK will have to negotiate and replace.
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