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View Poll Results: What would you personally prefer to happen?
I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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Old 24.07.2018, 01:00
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Oh dear Fatmansfilm - YOU posted the photo of a sign at Geneva arport- not me.

Racist- well no! But living in Malta, you know very well that illegal immigrants from Africa do not arrive in Malta, or Sicily, by plane...
but yes, if they try to fly onwards, or take the train- they will be stopped. And whether that is racist or targetting- is for another discussion.
The way they get to Sicily & Malta often involves swimming. Neither Malta nor Sicily has a train network & as I assume you know both are islands. I find it difficult to work out how YOU believe that a train is a viable way to get to Malta or Sicily.
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Old 24.07.2018, 01:15
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The way they get to Sicily & Malta often involves swimming. Neither Malta nor Sicily has a train network & as I assume you know both are islands. I find it difficult to work out how YOU believe that a train is a viable way to get to Malta or Sicily.
Somebody's never seen the train that crosses to Sicily by ferry, a favourite of travel programmes.

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You can take a train from mainland Italy to Sicily—the whole train goes onto a ferry—and you can reach a few cities by train on the island (including popular beach resort towns like Taormina), but for the most part Sicily is best explored by car.
https://www.italiarail.com/sicily
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Old 24.07.2018, 11:24
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FMF just being well... FMF!

Very very short hop from Messina to mainland Italy - and from Malta to Sicily. And then ... yes some try to take the train. Schengen or no Schengen, Customs Officers patrol all trains from Italy into Switzerland- for that very reason. Try and refuse to show your papers to those guys on the train, and shout Schengen, and see what happens.

We have done both Malta Sicily, and Sicily-mailand- as day trips.
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Old 24.07.2018, 12:05
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Passport checks that the entitled tourists don't feel like going through? Something EEs always had to do, except the few recent years? I guess these checks are just a detail in the big picture.
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Old 24.07.2018, 12:36
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Passport checks that the entitled tourists don't feel like going through? Something EEs always had to do, except the few recent years? I guess these checks are just a detail in the big picture.
To be fair, people of a federalist mindset could be expected to feel entitled to travel within the European Union (at least the Schengen Zone) without having to show a passport.

Whatever the reality on the ground, that was always the expectation - otherwise, what's the point of a European Union?
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Old 24.07.2018, 12:37
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Schengen or no Schengen, Customs Officers patrol all trains from Italy into Switzerland- for that very reason. Try and refuse to show your papers to those guys on the train, and shout Schengen, and see what happens.
Customs officers are there to control your merchandise, NOT your papers.

Customs have nothing to do with Schengen.

Customs do NOT do passport checks, the border police do (or did, before Schengen).

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Old 24.07.2018, 12:40
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Customs officers are their to control your merchandise, NOT your papers.

Customs have nothing to do with Schengen.

Customs do NOT do passport checks, the border police do (or did, before Schengen).

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You're more Swiss than you realise. ("Their" notwithstanding.)
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It seems many Swiss private banks are looking for acquisitions in the UK or setting up operations there. They think that London can rapidly become a world wealth management hub after comes out of the clutches of the European Union.
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It seems many Swiss private banks are looking for acquisitions in the UK or setting up operations there. They think that London can rapidly become a world wealth management hub after comes out of the clutches of the European Union.
I heard that space exploration agencies from all over Africa and Antarctica are making a beeline for Birmingham, viewing it as the likely post-Brexit global centre of intergalactic transport vehicle manufacturing.

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Yes, it is how it is now - I am talking post Brexit when UK passport holders will be asked to queue ... in the other queue.
Do you think that is humiliating?
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Old 24.07.2018, 15:18
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Do you think that is humiliating?
Well, yes: that's the queue with all the coloured people in it. Not that we've got anything against coloured people, of course, it's just that, well, we don't have anything in common with them like we do with our European friends... Michaelangelo... Beethoven... Proust... [cue list of very carefully chosen cultural figures, conveniently ignoring anyone from east of Vienna]
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Old 24.07.2018, 15:26
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Not showering yourself in glory there DB
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Old 24.07.2018, 15:33
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Not showering yourself in glory there DB
I think he has a sense of humour

I won't loose any sleep if I have to go in a different queue to Odile
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It seems many Swiss private banks are looking for acquisitions in the UK or setting up operations there. They think that London can rapidly become a world wealth management hub after comes out of the clutches money laundering regimes of the European Union.
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Not showering yourself in glory there DB
Context. Such a difficult concept...
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Theresa May has set herself on collision course with Brexiteer MPs after plans were revealed for the key law keeping Britain in the EU to apply after exit day.

Sky News understands ministers will scrap the European Communities Act (ECA) but "save" its "effect" for the transition period
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This will be done to "ensure that EU law continues to apply in the UK" during the 19 months that would follow exit day, if Mrs May secures a deal with Brussels.
https://news.sky.com/story/law-keepi...rexit-11447180

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Faisal Islam‏Verified account @faisalislamThe wording is about “saving” the effect of the now unrepealed ECA in transition - that means full application of European Court of Justice direct effect during this time, with no representation on councils, committees etc.
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It seems many Swiss private banks are looking for acquisitions in the UK or setting up operations there. They think that London can rapidly become a world wealth management hub after comes out of the clutches of the European Union.
Many, can you give us five or six examples then? Plus a few references?
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It seems many Swiss private banks are looking for acquisitions in the UK or setting up operations there. They think that London can rapidly become a world wealth management hub after comes out of the clutches of the European Union.
Are you suggesting it isn't a world wealth management hub whilst in the clutches of the EU
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I heard that space exploration agencies from all over Africa and Antarctica are making a beeline for Birmingham, viewing it as the likely post-Brexit global centre of intergalactic transport vehicle manufacturing.

Source: as non-existent as yours.
Hey, what is your problem?

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/upb_swi...looms/44267046

Swiss wealth manager looks at London as Brexit looms
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Many, can you give us five or six examples then? Plus a few references?
Insiders in the industry have been talking about it for quite some time and some news are coming out.
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