The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[fatmanfilms]

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	If it was a few minutes - but when you are disabled, as I was then, or have very sore knees or back, etc - sorry, standing for 30 to 40 mins in a queue can be very painful indeed. As for shopping, totally agree- I never ever shop at peak times, remembering how it would annoy me so when working very full time, with kids and tons to do and so little time. So we agree, hurrah. Leave you to it - tons to do and it is a lovely lovely day- yet again.

If you were disabled you should travel as an assisted passenger in a wheel chair, just what I did when I could not stand for more than 2 minutes.

Oh I did, many times, when I was very bad. By then, I was much better and ont he way to recovery- and would not do what some older people I know do- ask for assistance so they don't have to queue, when they don't really need it.

As for the Japanese tourists, one of the ladies sat next to us and was very chatty, with good English. She picked our brain about what to do in CH.

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	Oh I did, many times, when I was very bad. By then, I was much better and ont he way to recovery- and would not do what some older people I know do- ask for assistance so they don't have to queue, when they don't really need it.

So you weren't actually in pain, then?

[st2lemans]

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	A baby screaming in the airport waiting for her mum so she could be BF after the flight- is not much fun- especially when you are disabled or in pain.

BF?

Tom

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	BF? Tom

Breast fed. I think Odile must be channelling MusicChick.

[MusicChick]

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	Yes, that is exactly what the EU is all about. It's written into the EU Constitution. Small, defenceless countries are forced against their will into modern slavery by the huge, "old European" bullies like Belgium and Luxembourg, purely for the benefit of corporations in those bully countries. It's all a cover for the Grand Plan, which is to establish control over all of Europe (including Turkey and Northern Africa), centred in the world's hotbed for communism, Brussels. Eastern European countries, your days in the Free World are numbered!

Looks like you understand Brexit then.

It is not as catastrophic. NATO is probably more important than EU. Until yanks get sick of it.

	Quote:	MusicChick
	NATO is probably more important than EU. Until yanks get sick of it.

That boat sailed a decade ago!

[marton]

	Quote:	st2lemans
	They don't have to be checked in that case. It doesn't matter if they are FROM a Schengen country, just travelling within the Schengen zone. It's no different than travelling from one canton to another. And how do you know for sure that they were Japanese? Tom

Key to this is the Schengen visa which needs to be applied for if you are not from an EU country or from Iceland, Norway, Switzerland and Liechtenstein.
Once you have the Schengen visa you can enter the Schengen area and travel around Schengen.
There are complex rules and exceptions, full story is here.

[Urs Max]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	I am amazed an OAP actually worries about a few extra minutes in a queue, they always seem to shop at peak times rather than when people are working.

It's so refreshing to see rational discourse.

	Quote:	Urs Max
	It's so refreshing to see rational discourse.

This is EF, not the NZZ.

[Belgianmum]

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	oh BM, because FMF said that people from Schengen area did not have to be checked going into another Schengen area- and it reminded me that on our last flight, there were many people who were not from Schengen areas, just happened to be on a flight to and from- and they just happened to be American and Japanese. FGS.

FGS indeed.

You quoted a post by greenmount which you proceeded to reply to and then you went on to talk about border guards and trains before adding a seemingly random comment about Americans and Japanese.
We are not mind readers Odile, maybe if you took the time to quote the postbthe comment relates to it would be less confusing for the rest of us.

It might be a good idea to take a break or spend a bit more time composing your posts rather than rushing in and posting the random thoughts that pop into your head in your ridiculous sparring match with FMF and DB.
You make some good points but it is becoming increasingly difficult to weed out the useful stuff amongst all the other rubbish.

It’s incredible that with all that Brexit entails and the likely challenges that lay ahead we have several pages of discussion about the length of the queues at immigration.

[SOBEIT]

Okay, we have no negotiating position. The EU has a negotiating position, if this is the case: well, f.. off then.

[Blueangel]

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	Why did you split up? When we travel to England, we all stay together in the non-EU line - even though all but one of us is British.

Some airports make you split up. Manchester is one. I've never been allowed to go into the non-EU queue with my partner because I have an Epassport and he doesn't.

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	So you weren't actually in pain, then?

Oh yes, I was- but not excruciating pain, which is why I did not request assistance as I had to previous times, when in a wheelchair. Oh and my boobs were killing, with big wet patches - not pleasant either.

BM- posts cross- I was illustrating that not everyone on a Schengen to Schengen plane, or train- intitiated their travel in a Schengen zone. No need to be so unpleasant and patronising, for sure.

It is of course about a lot more than queues at airports - I am fully aware of that, thanks.

[TobiasM]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	Some airports make you split up. Manchester is one. I've never been allowed to go into the non-EU queue with my partner because I have an Epassport and he doesn't.

So if my kids are Swiss and I am travelling alone with them we would be split up? Doesn’t that only happen in America

No-one knows what will happen Tobias- That is how it was in the early 70s.

For the future- you will need to get a crystal ball, because no-one has a ******* clue what will happen post Brexit- in the EU- or with Switzerland.

[st2lemans]

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	So if my kids are Swiss and I am travelling alone with them we would be split up? Doesn’t that only happen in America

It doesn't happen in America, at least not in my experience.

Tom

[Blueangel]

Not if you're the only adult in the party, and not if a large number of the Egates are O.O.O. as is often the case Tobias.

[fatmanfilms]

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	No-one knows what will happen Tobias- That is how it was in the early 70s. For the future- you will need to get a crystal ball, because no-one has a ******* clue what will happen post Brexit- in the EU- or with Switzerland.

In the early 70's Brits just walked through, there was no queue if you had a Blue passport. Queues into the UK for EU passport holders are the result of Schengen. On the other hand the Swiss did have to queue as they were not considered as EU equivalent 15 years ago..

Like I say, we've never been split up at any airport, including trips to England, Cyprus, Greece and the United States.

I'd be very surprised if that was actually a policy anywhere in the civilised world.