The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[Phil_MCR]

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	Well as you said...: then no, you said the opposite. The EU, in the Lisbon Treaty committed itself to accede to the ECHR. They are however struggling to make it legally possible which is somethin completely different.

They are not struggling. The only struggle is the power struggle between CJEU and ECtHR. Ironically EU wants to subjugate member states to EU institutions and ECtHR, but is unwilling itself to be subject to ECtHR.

[curley]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	I feel vulnerable when I'm waved through security because I could be anybody. My passport could be fake. If my passport isn't checked, who else's isn't getting checked? I was far from the only one who commented on this, and I think it's appalling that I can fly from Switzerland to the UK and back again, and the only time my passport was properly checked was transiting between terminals at Brussels airport and at Zurich airport. I expect...demand far better of UK airport security. I've never had this happen before, and hopefully it won't happen again.

You must be very young then. I travelled half the world .... twice maybe .... without all this electronic checking stuff. During that time - apart from some old-fashioned airplane-highjacking, countable on one hand - nothing ever happened. Unlike these days
And I still have an old-fashioned passport - clinging on to it until they will force me to change it in 2018.

	Quote:	Blueangel
	Not to the standard I would hope. A cursory glance at a passport photo just doesn't hack it for me. I've been through far tighter security just to go on an airside fam trip at LHR, than to fly from the UK to Brussels. That's wrong on every level.

I'm sure you went through metal detectors and had your luggage scanned. I'm also pretty sure that had you been a wanted criminal or international terrorist they'd have recognised you.

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	Have you never scanned a room for a reaction? Really?

No, because I wouldn't recognise a terrorist if I saw one. Let's be honest here: that's why you were "scanning" your fellow passengers, wasn't it?

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	curley
	You must be very young then.

I'm 51, well travelled, and worked the last decade as a Business Travel Consultant. My OH worked airside at LHR until November last year.

I should have quantified my statement with, since the advent of biometric passports, which are now compulsary for entry to the US.

https://uk.usembassy.gov/visas/visa-...ric-passports/

What is the point of enforcing biometric passports and not maintaining the equipment to check them.

	Quote:	Blueangel
	What is the point of enforcing biometric passports and not maintaining the equipment to check them.

To keep the theatre alive!

[Blueangel]

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	I'm sure you went through metal detectors and had your luggage scanned. I'm also pretty sure that had you been a wanted criminal or international terrorist they'd have recognised you.

Ironically, the metal detector was also malfunctioning and reported as such whilst I was collecting my hand luggage after it went off when I went through. The only metal on my person was the clasp on my bra. I have set clothes for flying that don't have any metal on them.

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	No, because I wouldn't recognise a terrorist if I saw one. Let's be honest here: that's why you were "scanning" your fellow passengers, wasn't it?

Don't be ridiculous!!! On a flight from Manchester? If you flew from there with that attitude, you'd never leave the goddam airport!

[Sbrinz]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	I'm 51, well travelled, and worked the last decade as a Business Travel Consultant. My OH worked airside at LHR until November last year. I should have quantified my statement with, since the advent of biometric passports, which are now compulsory for entry to the US. https://uk.usembassy.gov/visas/visa-...ric-passports/ What is the point of enforcing biometric passports and not maintaining the equipment to check them.

Too be fair, when you buy an air ticket you have to give the airline company your passport number, name, birth date, etc. This data is sent ahead to the countries where you are travelling, and they know before your flight boards, that all the passengers are good citizens, or they know there is someone suspicious and the security starts looking for them.

Many shoes have thin metal plates in the soles.

	Quote:	Blueangel
	I'm 51, well travelled, and worked the last decade as a Business Travel Consultant. My OH worked airside at LHR until November last year. I should have quantified my statement with, since the advent of biometric passports, which are now compulsary for entry to the US. https://uk.usembassy.gov/visas/visa-...ric-passports/ What is the point of enforcing biometric passports and not maintaining the equipment to check them.

I'm not exactly sure what this has to do with the topic of the EU vote.

I'm even less sure what passport checks have to do with real security - AFAIK all the promenent terror attacks on aircraft have been by people with perfectly valid passports and not on any no-fly list.

Biometric passports are not compulsory in Europe anyway.

	Quote:	Sbrinz
	Too be fair, when you buy an air ticket you have to give the airline company your passport number, name, birth date, etc. This data is sent ahead to the countries where you are travelling, and they know before your flight boards, that all the passengers are good citizens, or they know there is someone suspicious and the security starts looking for them. Many shoes have thin metal plates in the soles.

Depends on airline and origin/destination.

[Mikers]

Osborne threatens middle classes with a punishment budget if they don't vote to stay http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...ce-new-laws-t/

Nasty stuff.

[Phil_MCR]

	Quote:	Mikers
	Osborne threatens middle classes with a punishment budget if they don't vote to stay http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...ce-new-laws-t/ Nasty stuff.

Well, it looks like he's put his job on the line. I don't see how he or Cameron can keep their jobs if the vote is in favour of Brexit.

A flotilla of fishing boats with Nigel Farage on board has entered London on the Thames in support of the Brexit cause.

A gathering of Remain boats with non other than Bob Geldof on board are circling and attempting to disrupt.

YOU COULDN'T MAKE THIS SHIT UP! WTF IS GOING ON?!

[JagWaugh]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	A flotilla of fishing boats with Nigel Farage on board has entered London on the Thames in support of the Brexit cause. A gathering of Remain boats with non other than Bob Geldof on board are circling and attempting to disrupt. YOU COULDN'T MAKE THIS SHIT UP! WTF IS GOING ON?!

Remember when Music Videos and MTV burst onto the market? This is the logical extension of that. The '80s have a LOT to answer for.

Tusk and Juncker see Brexit as threat to Western civilization

Juncker has no one else to blame but himself for this threat and for the lack of cohesion and flexibility within the EU. Did we all not see Cameron, before the referendum debate, fight tooth and nail to win back more control from the EU only to come away empty handed.. probably one of the reasons why Cameron in 2014 was so clearly opposed to the implacable Juncker being made head of the EC in the first place.

Lest we forget, eurosceptism was alive and thriving across the UK political spectrum well before this dirty & grubby referendum debate got started.

[amogles]

	Quote:	Swisstree
	Tusk and Juncker see Brexit as threat to Western civilization Juncker has no one else to blame but himself for this threat and for the lack of cohesion and flexibility within the EU. Did we all not see Cameron, before the referendum debate, fight tooth and nail to win back more control from the EU only to come away empty handed.. probably one of the reasons why Cameron in 2014 was so clearly opposed to the implacable Juncker being made head of the EC in the first place. Lest we forget, eurosceptism was alive and thriving across the UK political spectrum well before this dirty & grubby referendum debate got started.

Junker has no capacity for introspection.

When you think that the EU and its predecessor organizations were set up to bring the nations of Europe closer together and some of the early leaders were far sighted idealists who did it for peace and friendship rather than power grabbing. They would be turning over in their graves if they could see the idiots who are today driving the EU into the wall.

Fishermen now spraying Geldof's boat with water. There's banter.

[marton]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Fishermen now spraying Geldof's boat with water. There's banter.

So long as it does not dilute the bubbly

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	Phil_MCR
	Well, it looks like he's put his job on the line. I don't see how he or Cameron can keep their jobs if the vote is in favour of Brexit.

Well Boris is heavily hinting that he wants Cameron to run for a third term on This Morning. I guess it will be a few hours before the video clip is available, but it will be worth watching.

http://www.express.co.uk/showbiz/tv-...-Boris-Johnson

[Phil_MCR]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	Well Boris is heavily hinting that he wants Cameron to run for a third term on This Morning. I guess it will be a few hours before the video clip is available, but it will be worth watching. http://www.express.co.uk/showbiz/tv-...-Boris-Johnson

That sounds precisely like something a politician would say before stabbing you in the back...

[Castro]

Just stumbled upon the fact that Jeremy Clarkson is firmly in the Remain camp

Wot?

P.S checked the date, it wasn't 1 April