The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[amogles]

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	Well, I am glad for you. We were told that I had to queue with non British passport holders - and we did, just as described. What else can I tell you. Ask OH, he remembers it so well- with baby desperate sucking on his shirt, whilst waiting for me for ages.

I guess you were misniformed then. You could avoided this unpleasant situation but you received bad advice. And yes, it is unfair to criticize you for that.

Sometimes a certain distrust of higher authority is a healthy thing. Whether it is blindly obeying orders in an immigration queue, or believing what is written on the side of a bus.

So let's extend an olice branch and try to get this conversation back to some level of civility?

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	st2lemans
	In any case, having kids on your passport hasn't been allowed in years. Tom

Only 20yrs for UK passport holders https://www.independent.co.uk/news/b...s-1176056.html

	Quote:	amogles
	So let's extend an olice branch and try to get this conversation back to some level of civility?

Agreed.

[MusicChick]

This thread is not about EF members.. It is better to remain impersonal.

I have a feeling the definition of the EU is changing. It started to change before Brexit. Some people want to hold onto the old principles, in my experience some of these principles were often just ideas that did not materialized. Brussels cannot pretend that they haven't noticed the dynamics.

[TobiasM]

	Quote:	st2lemans
	It doesn't happen in America, at least not in my experience. Tom

In recent news, America has been taking little kiddies away from mom... my post was tongue in cheek.

Good news.

The bird in charge of France's Europe ministry has said it isn't too late to change our mind...

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-politics-live

[amogles]

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	Good news. The bird in charge of France's Europe ministry has said it isn't too late to change our mind... https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-politics-live

A politician who changed their mind? In this day and age? Who would have thought it?

A politician who goes as far as to say it is Ok for others to change their mind too.

Well, at least you can't accuse her of applying double standards.

that is, until she changes her mind about that.

[bowlie]

I simply cannot believe this BBC report.

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	Following talks in Austria, Mrs May will head to Italy with her husband, Philip, for a week before returning to the UK to work. She is also due to attend a World War One memorial event marking the centenary of the battle of Amiens, which began on 8 August 1918, before heading off for two weeks' holiday in Switzerland.

Hello, HELLo, HELLO! The clock is ticking ... Since you have put yourself in charge of the negotiations, cancel your vacation and get back to work.

[rainer_d]

	Quote:	bowlie
	I simply cannot believe this BBC report. Hello, HELLo, HELLO! The clock is ticking ... Since you have put yourself in charge of the negotiations, cancel your vacation and get back to work.

IMO, that's ridiculous. Politicians would never be able to have a vacation because somewhere, somehow there's always a problem to be solved and a fire to be extinguished.

I've taken some days off today and next week but actually there's so much todo at work that I could work for seven days a week.

Politicians are people, too. They need to have some semblance of normal life, too.
And they need some rest.

I'm glad she can come here and take a break, do some hiking. Free-up her mind. Recharge the batteries.

[bowlie]

They need a deal by October, just over 8 weeks away. And she is taking a third of that off.

Of course they are human and need a break, but really she can take a month off come November. Now is not the time.

[rainer_d]

	Quote:	bowlie
	They need a deal by October, just over 8 weeks away. And she is taking a third of that off. Of course they are human and need a break, but really she can take a month off come November. Now is not the time.

As I said, it never stops.
She might as well take the vacation now.

Also, my gut feel is that they'll cave-in and retract at the last second.

This was an impossible task to begin with - at least in the time-frame given.

[Belgianmum]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	Only 20yrs for UK passport holders https://www.independent.co.uk/news/b...s-1176056.html

20 years is still a pretty long time. I imagine there are plenty of people who have had to go through the hassle of getting passport photos for newborns and some of us in the days before digital photography when you didn’t know what the photo was like until it was developed.

[bowlie]

Also from the beeb.

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	In the UK there are 1.2 million workers who receive no annual leave at all, and 2.2 million who get less than the legal minimum holiday.

Obviously Ms. May is not one of them.

[pdofr]

	Quote:	bowlie
	They need a deal by October, just over 8 weeks away. And she is taking a third of that off. Of course they are human and need a break, but really she can take a month off come November. Now is not the time.

House of Commons recess dates

Recess: Summer
House rises: 24 July 2018
House returns: 4 September 2018

November falls outside those dates.

[marton]

Tory grassroots in open revolt over May’s Brexit plan as PM warned by her own constituency chairman

Source

But her constituency voted Remain so why would they revolt? This whole Brexit story is ever more confusing.

[bowlie]

From Reuters:

“The Sky poll said 65 percent of British voters thought the government would end up with a bad deal - an increase of 15 points from March - and half support a referendum to choose between leaving with a deal, leaving without a deal or staying in the EU. The poll indicated 40 percent opposed such a vote, while 10 percent did not know.“

Of course, in this case, the “will of the people” is irrelevant, HMG knows what it is doing.

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	marton
	Tory grassroots in open revolt over May’s Brexit plan as PM warned by her own constituency chairman.

Fighting over a plan that has a ready be kicked back.... the UK desperately needs a few adult politicians...

[pdofr]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	Fighting over a plan that has a ready be kicked back.... the UK desperately needs a few adult politicians...

Brexit provides the perfect ingredients for a national food crisis

Just In Time (JIT) delivery rears its head:

"There isn't warehousing space in this country," Ian Wright of the Food and Drink Federation, which represents the interests of UK manufacturers, told me. "There doesn't need to be, because companies do not hold huge inventories. It's massively financially inefficient to do so." Only 49% of the food we consume is produced in Britain, he said. The rest comes from abroad, and most of that is in the form of ingredients to be turned into the foods we eventually eat. It arrives just in time to be used, after which the finished goods are immediately dispatched. "I don't think the government understands that," he said.

Or, as the head of one of Britain's biggest food manufacturers put it to me, "That lot couldn't run a fish and chip shop."

	Quote:	pdofr
	Brexit provides the perfect ingredients for a national food crisis Just In Time (JIT) delivery rears its head: "There isn't warehousing space in this country," Ian Wright of the Food and Drink Federation, which represents the interests of UK manufacturers, told me. "There doesn't need to be, because companies do not hold huge inventories. It's massively financially inefficient to do so." Only 49% of the food we consume is produced in Britain, he said. The rest comes from abroad, and most of that is in the form of ingredients to be turned into the foods we eventually eat. It arrives just in time to be used, after which the finished goods are immediately dispatched. "I don't think the government understands that," he said. Or, as the head of one of Britain's biggest food manufacturers put it to me, "That lot couldn't run a fish and chip shop."

This is getting feckin ridiculous now. Qatar had an actual blockade imposed on it by its neighbours and there were no riots due to food shortages.

[Castro]

	Quote:	rainer_d
	As I said, it never stops. She might as well take the vacation now. Also, my gut feel is that they'll cave-in and retract at the last second. This was an impossible task to begin with - at least in the time-frame given.

Having said that she nominated Dominic Raab as David Davis' successor and then promptly usurped his remit saying that she would personally take control of the BREXIT negotiations.

So get back to work MAY!!!

	Quote:	Loz1983
	This is getting feckin ridiculous now. Qatar had an actual blockade imposed on it by its neighbours and there were no riots due to food shortages.

It's probably easier to feed a country with 25x less population and that only covers a land area around a 20th of GB - they have plenty of spare cash going and were getting imports from Turkey and Iran despite the blockade.

I can't see us throwing money at the problem like that.