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View Poll Results: What would you personally prefer to happen?
I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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squeeze a good dessert spoonful out and pop it straight into your mouth.
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Nice try, Urs Max. Not the first one to use this argument with me, how ridiculous! Bilaterals and EU thing never ever helped me here, or anywhere in the generous and fair EU, as a matter of fact. Always had to go through study, work permits, visas and such. When we're not useful to CH anymore, I am pretty sure we're out of here. CH doesn't strike me as a particularly charitable land when it comes to these things. Good for them.
Where exactly do I say the Bilaterale had any effect on your situation or on Tom's?

Whether you migrated yesterday or 50 years ago, and under what regulations that happened, has exactly zero hearing on the fact that you, like Tom, are an international migrant complaining about international migration.
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Indeed, it rapidly sorts those with tastebuds from those without. Or at least, those with insensitivity to salty tastes.
Now, now... are you not a real ale fan either? Its a great source for vit b. Mmmm... marmite.... yum.
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Marmite is excellent. But divisive!
Some would say a bit like EU then...:-)

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For an Australian, no, it's not bad that I don't do Marmite. Just don't tell the Australian Border Force about my Vegemite aversion.
Hehe, I like what you did here...I'll buy a tube of Cenovis.
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Now, now... are you not a real ale fan either? Its a great source for vit b. Mmmm... marmite.... yum.
Real ale? Here? Where?
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Real ale? Here? Where?
Sorry.... am in the UK. And live in a town blessed by real ale bars. Plus friends who have Camra-sanctioned brewery in their "shed"... (it's a big shed).
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Let's get to Brexit - anyone can sum up for me how May's date with Macron went?
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Expats complaining about international migration.

Only on EF.

Time to bring back the Saisonnierstatut (google!). At least that ensured them bloody forrriners (of south European origin, mostly, in its time) would hence they came once they were no longer useful. But perhaps nowadays that would include EF members were it not for the Bilaterale and the EU.
This old chestnut. Freedom of movement is one of the few good things the EU has ever done, the problem is that it has been abused. Freedom of movement does not mean freedom to help yourself to another countries benefits system. Send a CV first.
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Nice try, Urs Max. Not the first one to use this argument with me, how ridiculous! Bilaterals and EU thing never ever helped me here, or anywhere in the generous and fair EU, as a matter of fact. Always had to go through study, work permits, visas and such. When we're not useful to CH anymore, I am pretty sure we're out of here. CH doesn't strike me as a particularly charitable land when it comes to these things. Good for them.
On what do you base that - which other nationality - by virtue of their lack of contribution to the Swiss purse - en masse has been expelled ?
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Old 05.08.2018, 14:21
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This old chestnut. Freedom of movement is one of the few good things the EU has ever done, the problem is that it has been abused. Freedom of movement does not mean freedom to help yourself to another countries benefits system. Send a CV first.
Not as easy as you imply, read here.
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Old 05.08.2018, 22:27
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Let's get to Brexit - anyone can sum up for me how May's date with Macron went?
Free trip to the South of France, Tour of Fort de Bregancon, Nice dinner, husband had a walk among the natives, went home....
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French ports cut out of EU trade route after Brexit

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The thinking seems to be to avoid further congestion in northern France post BREXIT, when customs checks etc will need to be carried out on traffic coming from the UK.

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The situation is worsening:

"Call for a ban on people eating dog meat in the UK"

https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-45085514

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The situation is worsening:

"Call for a ban on people eating dog meat in the UK"

https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-45085514

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Wow, some people have it rough.
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Where exactly do I say the Bilaterale had any effect on your situation or on Tom's?

Whether you migrated yesterday or 50 years ago, and under what regulations that happened, has exactly zero hearing on the fact that you, like Tom, are an international migrant complaining about international migration.
Oh, so now I don't owe my presence here to the generous EU and the deals it established for me too? Good we're clear on this one.

No, I don't complain about international migration here, I'm complaining about those views that EU had only positive impacts on its member states, being on the West or East front. I use front because I see the 2 parts of the continent still very antagonistic and very mistrustful of each other. Forgive me, but I cannot settle for the things somebody else established for me in goodness knows which office in Bruxelles. I always criticised EU's lack of adequate regional policies, ignorance of particular countries' potential and interests, financial, budgetary policies that drove away the best professionals not only blue collar people.

I am sorry, I have too much respect for me and my own to accept to be treated like second hand citizens of yet another "empire". And at the moment I don't feel I'm an ordinary EU citizen. How on earth you want me to defend this European "success story" is beyond me.
And....get used with the idea that less and less people will allow total outsiders to tell them who or what they are.

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Where exactly do I say the Bilaterale had any effect on your situation or on Tom's?

Whether you migrated yesterday or 50 years ago, and under what regulations that happened, has exactly zero hearing on the fact that you, like Tom, are an international migrant complaining about international migration.
Better have people complain who understand migration seeing they've done it, than letting people who haven't a clue lead the discussion.

I don't follow this whole "never criticize something that in the past you benefitted from" thing. That basically shuts down any protest anywhere.
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Better have people complain who understand migration seeing they've done it, than letting people who haven't a clue lead the discussion.

I don't follow this whole "never criticize something that in the past you benefitted from" thing. That basically shuts down any protest anywhere.
Thing is I never "benefited" from anything. I have a pass with EU on it and that's it. We chose CH exactly because it is not part of the EU. So when this topic pops up it irritates me to no end. I've been avoiding it all the time because I think it's rather humiliating (EU but second hand EU), but if people insist...I have to let them know I don't take any BS from anybody.
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Oh, so now I don't owe my presence here to the generous EU and the deals it established for me too? Good we're clear on this one.

No, I don't complain about international migration here, I'm complaining about those views that EU had only positive impacts on its member states, being on the West or East front. I use front because I see the 2 parts of the continent still very antagonistic and very mistrustful of each other. Forgive me, but I cannot settle for the things somebody else established for me in goodness knows which office in Bruxelles. I always criticised EU's lack of adequate regional policies, ignorance of particular countries' potential and interests, financial, budgetary policies that drove away the best professionals not only blue collar people.

I am sorry, I have too much respect for me and my own to accept to be treated like second hand citizens of yet another "empire". And at the moment I don't feel I'm an ordinary EU citizen. How on earth you want me to defend this European "success story" is beyond me.
And....get used with the idea that less and less people will allow total outsiders to tell them who or what they are.
Actually that's what you do. Not just you personally but the three of you together as well.
"Wiser regional development strategies should have been a priority for EU since the very beginning, but then again, that was so not the purpose of EU, was it."

As for all the rest, I wonder how you read anthing to that end into my post. Get a cool bath or something.
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Thing is I never "benefited" from anything. I have a pass with EU on it and that's it. We chose CH exactly because it is not part of the EU.
Right so you rocked up in 2010 or there abouts and presented you EU passport and was issued with a work permit etc... You are entitled to permanent residence status after five years, your pension contributions here and else where in the EU are combined to give you the best possible pension on retirement... When traveling on in the EU/EEA your Swiss health insurance is automatically accepted to give you services in an emergency....

And you're claiming you don't benefit.... sorry you do whether you like it or not.
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So back to Brexit because I think some will never understand my point....what happened? A couple of years ago most people here were pretty favourable to it and were sick of EU. Is losing all these privileges not all of us have by virtue of being an EU citizen such a scary perspective? Why?

You either get your Swiss citizenship if you want to stay here for the rest of your life or get back to your home country when you don't have a job anymore due to retirement or unemployment or whatever.
Now I get it that we all have kids or families and if they'll probably (naturally) choose CH over our home countries we'd like to stick around for them, but then again, everybody can travel relatively easily these days. EU didn't help me to get here, and it will definitely not be a reason to stay here.

It's very confusing. What happened? I don't mean parnell and loz who should first check their facts. It was a general atmosphere.

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