The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[marton]

British expatriates have launched a fresh legal challenge against the 2016 referendum, arguing that the result has been invalidated by the Electoral Commission’s ruling on leave campaign spending.

The judicial review against the prime minister, Theresa May, has been submitted to the high court in London by the UK in EU Challenge group, which represents Britons living in France, Italy and Spain.

It argues that the recent Electoral Commission findings on BeLeave and Vote Leave – which resulted in two officials being reported to the police and punitive fines being imposed – means that the referendum to leave the EU was not a lawful, fair or free vote.

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Never ending story!

	Quote:	marton
	British expatriates have launched a fresh legal challenge against the 2016 referendum, arguing that the result has been invalidated by the Electoral Commission’s ruling on leave campaign spending. The judicial review against the prime minister, Theresa May, has been submitted to the high court in London by the UK in EU Challenge group, which represents Britons living in France, Italy and Spain. It argues that the recent Electoral Commission findings on BeLeave and Vote Leave – which resulted in two officials being reported to the police and punitive fines being imposed – means that the referendum to leave the EU was not a lawful, fair or free vote. Source Never ending story!

This legal challenge is what mental illness looks like.

[Medea Fleecestealer]

Still clutching at straws I see.

	Quote:	Loz1983
	This legal challenge is what mental illness looks like.

Right, people should be allowed to break the law in order to positively influence their position... when it suits you, right, Loz?

Do you know why such a huge fuss is being made about Robert Mueller's investigation in the US? It's because Trump has been accused of exactly the same thing, illegally influencing a plebiscite to create an advantage for himself. It's illegal over there, too. Perhaps Mueller is mentally ill?

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	Right, people should be allowed to break the law in order to positively influence their position... when it suits you, right, Loz? Do you know why such a huge fuss is being made about Robert Mueller's investigation in the US? It's because Trump has been accused of exactly the same thing, illegally influencing a plebiscite to create an advantage for himself. It's illegal over there, too. Perhaps Mueller is mentally ill?

It's mental illness because:

a) it won't work
b) there is zero evidence that this spending error swung the referendum result
c) it's trying to overturn a democratic vote on a technicality
d) it stinks of desperation
e) it shows people STILL can't accept the result of a referendum
f) it won't work

Point's b), d) and e) also apply to the Mueller investigation. Likely a) and f) too.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	c) it's trying to overturn a democratic vote on a technicality.

On a legality, not technicality.

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	greenmount
	....but not for voting and not for social experiments conducted using the whole arsenal of social engineering.

I think there is no doubt that the media played a part, but the sophistication or rather lack there of played a big part too. For the majority of their life UK voters have a very straight forward question to answer - do I like the current government or will I put the other side in?

In comparison, if you look at Ireland or Switzerland, where voters have a history of making what I call strategic decisions: the constitution and tactical decisions the current parliament. They are used of thinking on these levels and they know what the questions are and they have debated those issues in the past.

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	It's mental illness because: a) it won't work b) there is zero evidence that this spending error swung the referendum result c) it's trying to overturn a democratic vote on a technicality d) it stinks of desperation e) it shows people STILL can't accept the result of a referendum f) it won't work Point's b), d) and e) also apply to the Mueller investigation. Likely a) and f) too.

It does not matter, it is advisory as would any future one. From a few Irish political forums I can tell you Irish people think this is hilarious - two sides arguing over an advisory referendum, while ignoring the outcome of a subsequent general election which was supposed to provide a mandate for implementing BREXIT only it did not. Given that more people voted for parties supporting BREXIT than against one would have expected a coalition or a national government be implement such an important decision, but no we have got this farce going on instead.

	Quote:	Jim2007
	It does not matter, it is advisory as would any future one. From a few Irish political forums I can tell you Irish people think this is hilarious - two sides arguing over an advisory referendum, while ignoring the outcome of a subsequent general election which was supposed to provide a mandate for implementing BREXIT only it did not. Given that more people voted for parties supporting BREXIT than against one would have expected a coalition or a national government be implement such an important decision, but no we have got this farce going on instead.

It would be more or less impossible not to vote for parties that didn't support Brexit since the SNP only fields candidates in Scotland and the two largest parties in the rest of the UK were both pro Brexit!

[Jim2007]

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	It would be more or less impossible not to vote for parties that didn't support Brexit since the SNP only fields candidates in Scotland and the two largest parties in the rest of the UK were both pro Brexit!

The problem is that they are not the same flavor! I can see how this gets moved on, I don’t think a new referendum or GE will have the necessary impact.

Depending on what your feelings are about polls, this article is an interesting read concerning a number of large-scale polls over the summer.

Even with margin for error, it seems there is as significant shift towards no confidence in Brexit as it stands now.

https://infacts.org/massive-summer-p...rexit-message/

[marton]

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	Depending on what your feelings are about polls, this article is an interesting read concerning a number of large-scale polls over the summer. Even with margin for error, it seems there is as significant shift towards no confidence in Brexit as it stands now. https://infacts.org/massive-summer-p...rexit-message/

One interesting point from the polls "As many as 73% of voters, including 60% of Leave voters, now agree that “it is likely that many of the promises made by politicians in favour of leaving the EU will be broken”. Just 13% disagree."

Of course they did not ask the question about "threats made by politicians in favour of staying in the EU will be proven false?"

[bowlie]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	It's mental illness because: a) ... e) it shows people STILL can't accept the result of a referendum f) ...

it seems to me the excited kingdom has a referendum every few years (a maximum of five, I believe) to elect or re-elect their member of Parliament and they elect or re-elect the Prime Minister. To do otherwise would be decidedly un-democratic.

People’s options change over time as does the electorate. I imagine that some electors STILL cannot accept the results of the last general election and that some would like another bite at the apple.

[marton]

Britain will give EU migrants a unilateral right to stay in the UK in the event of a no deal Brexit amid concerns that failing to so would lead to labour shortages, leaked Cabinet papers reveal.

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Red lines fading everywhere!!

This goes quite some way to explaining the posts on here.

Britain’s middle-class Brexit Anxiety Disorder

	Quote:	Loz1983
	This goes quite some way to explaining the posts on here. Britain’s middle-class Brexit Anxiety Disorder

In the absence of a weird and misjudged article poking fun at people that disagree with Brexit, Brexit doesn't really have anything else does it?

I think the anxiety is coming from the fact that it's all going t*ts up and, to date, nobody has been able to present one redeeming incontrovertible feature of Brexit that stands up to scrutiny.

Oh wait! Maybe it has managed to expose members of the government who are dishonest, power hungry incompetents like no other event has ever managed in the past. I'll reward Brexit with that.

You honestly think the government is doing a good job in all this?

	Quote:	jazzy jeff
	It's got schadenfreude in spades Corr says the fact that many working-class people have been subject to this attitude for much of their lives “made the kick up the backside of ‘their betters’ all the more enjoyable.”

Unless you are "working class" and voted to remain. Or are saying all 48% of the voters of Remain were middle class?

Not sure if that's sort of a compliment to the remain voters I know but err.. thanks. I think.

The article is nonsense. It's trying to be satirical and edgy but falls over itself in the process. Some of it's funny, I'll give it that.


ETA - first post jumping into a hot button topic of the forum. Brave or dupe?

[greenmount]

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	ETA - first post jumping into a hot button topic of the forum. Brave or dupe?

What smells like a dupe it probably is a dupe. ;-)

[Ouchboy]

well , hello kriss kross jazzy jeff

[marton]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	This goes quite some way to explaining the posts on here. Britain’s middle-class Brexit Anxiety Disorder

Good idea, your posts often need explaining

Confused, the article seems to be about "loss of control" whereas Brexit is supposed to be about regaining control?

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	In Westminster’s bars and restaurants, MPs often talk of the “catastrophe,” “humiliation” and “nightmare” being inflicted on them.

Are these the "Remain" or the "Leave" MPs

Ironically the picture illustrating the article is of a demonstration by fisherman complaining Brexit is not bringing the improvements they expected. Which seems to be opposite to the theme of the article