The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[st2lemans]

	Quote:	Sky
	I thought there would be a lot of discussion on this thread after today's news.

That's on a different thread:

https://www.englishforum.ch/internat...weinstein.html

Tom

[marton]

	Quote:	Urs Max
	What happened?

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
The earth was empty, a formless mass cloaked in darkness.

[StirB]

	Quote:	marton
	In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was empty, a formless mass cloaked in darkness.

Then some forrin lifeform landed on are Earth because we didnt av control of are borderz.

[bigblue2]

	Quote:	Sky
	I thought there would be a lot of discussion on this thread after today's news. The silence preoccupies me even more. What do you think of it all? I've come to love England dearly. It seems to me the people wanted an England as it was before, instead they are getting something they had no idea of.

a load of documents basically saying, ermmmm, we have no idea, maybe credit card fee's will go up

[J2488]

	Quote:	Sky
	I thought there would be a lot of discussion on this thread after today's news. The silence preoccupies me even more. What do you think of it all? I've come to love England dearly. It seems to me the people wanted an England as it was before, instead they are getting something they had no idea of.

A lot of the people who voted for brexit have been forced to munch on a rather large piece of Humble Pie. At this point, its really only the blinkered morons like reesmogg and farage who are still planting their flag on the 'brexit is awesome' hill. Their silence is really an attempt to blend into the crowd and not draw attention to the fact that they were monumentally wrong and/or gullible.

You can bet that if brexit was going swimmingly, we were pissing money, and the whole world was begging us for trade deals, many more brexiters would be proclaiming their wisdom from the rooftops and rubbing it in that they were right.

Most remainers on the other hand, have accepted the idea that brexit is going to be an enormous balls-up so they dont really feel the need to comment anymore (when even the brexit-supporting government is issuing notices like this one, they no longer need to). The car crash is proceeding as it was always going to, as far as they're concerned.

The problem with wanting anything as it was before, is that human beings are predisposed to remember only the good parts of what came before, and tend to forget the bad.

[J2488]

Im actually in quite a strange place...i never wanted brexit, and i think its a stupid idea.

But, every time some more brexit reality bites, the £ goes to pot and i can plan another shopping trip.

	Quote:	Urs Max
	The big problem is that, in a no-deal scenario, this needs to be done in a hurry, and that haste makes waste.

I'm inclined to think the quicker the better. The UK government has habit of squandering money when projects run over a longer period of time - HS2, The Millennium Dome, NHS IT System, the new Royal Navy aircraft carriers. Get it done, quick and dirty and iron out the details later.

[Sandgrounder]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	I'm inclined to think the quicker the better. The UK government has habit of squandering money when projects run over a longer period of time - HS2, The Millennium Dome, NHS IT System, the new Royal Navy aircraft carriers. Get it done, quick and dirty and iron out the details later.

Brexit is hardly a project, is it? How can a major constitutional change be compared to the Millennium Dome?

	Quote:	Sandgrounder
	Brexit is hardly a project, is it? How can a major constitutional change be compared to the Millennium Dome?

Urs was talking about the setting up of Government agencies, not Brexit as a whole.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	J2488
	The problem with wanting anything as it was before, is that human beings are predisposed to remember only the good parts of what came before, and tend to forget the bad.

Farage is a year older than me, so he would have been 11 when the UK joined the Common Market. Arron Banks would have been 9yrs old. The only economic things I remember from pre-1975 are the change to the cost of a Mars bar with decimalisation, being banned from the living room during the budget and auditor's visits, and my dad talking a lot about OPEC. This leads me to seriously question what kind of 'past' the likes of Farage and Banks are using as reference.

	Quote:	J2488
	Im actually in quite a strange place...i never wanted brexit, and i think its a stupid idea. But, every time some more brexit reality bites, the £ goes to pot and i can plan another shopping trip.

Same here.

At no point whatsoever, have I heard a convincing arguement as to the benefits of Brexit. Not once...yet only last week, my finger was hovering over the 'buy' tab on a CHF24 rtn fare from Basel to Stansted. 4 boxes of Ibuprofen and I'm in profit on the savings from that trip.

[Sandgrounder]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	Farage is a year older than me, so he would have been 11 when the UK joined the Common Market. Arron Banks would have been 9yrs old. The only economic things I remember from pre-1975 are the change to the cost of a Mars bar with decimalisation, being banned from the living room during the budget and auditor's visits, and my dad talking a lot about OPEC. This leads me to seriously question what kind of 'past' the likes of Farage and Banks are using as reference.

They are using whatever fantasy rosy-coloured past that appeals to their respective supporters and keeps them current and in the media.

	Quote:	J2488
	A lot of the people who voted for brexit have been forced to munch on a rather large piece of Humble Pie. At this point, its really only the blinkered morons like reesmogg and farage who are still planting their flag on the 'brexit is awesome' hill. Their silence is really an attempt to blend into the crowd and not draw attention to the fact that they were monumentally wrong and/or gullible. You can bet that if brexit was going swimmingly, we were pissing money, and the whole world was begging us for trade deals, many more brexiters would be proclaiming their wisdom from the rooftops and rubbing it in that they were right. Most remainers on the other hand, have accepted the idea that brexit is going to be an enormous balls-up so they dont really feel the need to comment anymore (when even the brexit-supporting government is issuing notices like this one, they no longer need to). The car crash is proceeding as it was always going to, as far as they're concerned. The problem with wanting anything as it was before, is that human beings are predisposed to remember only the good parts of what came before, and tend to forget the bad.

Nope, not here. The outcome will still be worthwhile in the end. It's clear the government have made a pigs ear of the negotiations and the preparations for no deal, but that's hardly the Brexiteers fault. The most important thing now is that the UK leaves before Brexit gets sabotaged.

[J2488]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Nope, not here. The outcome will still be worthwhile in the end. It's clear the government have made a pigs ear of the negotiations and the preparations for no deal, but that's hardly the Brexiteers fault. The most important thing now is that the UK leaves before Brexit gets sabotaged.

Hardly the brexiters fault?
Lol.

The people who are responsible for brexit right now are the same people who were cheer-leading it. They were literally given the government department(s) responsible for taking the UK out of the EU.

It absolutely is their fault. They promised the UK everything would be better after brexit. Now, they have to deliver that. If the brexit-voting population wont hold them to account (and certainly, no one else will), it will just prove that brexit voters were idiots, and they deserve a shitty deal. Brexit voters will have been lied to, they will know they were lied to, and they will bend over and accept being shafted by those very politicians who lied to them, while at the same time excusing those same politicians, and absolving them of any responsibility over the shitshow that is Brexit.

You couldn't make it up. Its only really the most blinkered people who say that it isn't their fault.

[Blueangel]

Another unelected man sticking his oar in, as he has done all along, and getting told where to go...

	Quote:
	Leave.EU's Arron Banks denied Conservative membership

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-45290206

For all who know Danny Dyer's opinion of Cameron, I'd like to apply it to Banks for infinity.

[Sandgrounder]

	Quote:	J2488
	Hardly the brexiters fault? Lol.

Hope their deflective Teflon coating and blameless nature remains intact when it all unravels.

I'm sure they'll form a thinktank on Best Excuses before then, though.

[J2488]

	Quote:	Sandgrounder
	Hope their deflective Teflon coating and blameless nature remains intact when it all unravels. I'm sure they'll form a thinktank on Best Excuses before then, though.

Oh it most certainly will. They wont lose from this debacle at all. Matter of fact, they'll likely gain from it handsomely.

Consider Nigel Farage. A man who is an MEP but who never did an honest days work at the EP. He was a member of the fisheries committee, but attended only 1 of 42 meetings on the topic. 3 key votes, when he would have been able to use his position to actually improve the life lot of UK fisherman, he voted against them.

Yet this is the same man who has confirmed that he will continue to take his EU endowed, very generous, £73,000 a year pension payable from age 63. This pension will be funded by, guess who? British taxpayers, who will continue paying the EU for the pleasure. But at the same time, he has campaigned against the UK continuing payments to the EU after brexit.

This is the man brexiters think is 'one of them' and who has a genuine interest in improving their lives? a man who will smash the establishment and is a beacon of integrity and good governance?

Lol. For what is about to follow, the British people may want to stock up on Vaseline. Particularly as its not made in the UK, and will likely be the subject of hefty tariffs.

	Quote:	J2488
	Hardly the brexiters fault? Lol. The people who are responsible for brexit right now are the same people who were cheer-leading it. They were literally given the government department(s) responsible for taking the UK out of the EU. It absolutely is their fault. They promised the UK everything would be better after brexit. Now, they have to deliver that. If the brexit-voting population wont hold them to account (and certainly, no one else will), it will just prove that brexit voters were idiots, and they deserve a shitty deal. Brexit voters will have been lied to, they will know they were lied to, and they will bend over and accept being shafted by those very politicians who lied to them, while at the same time excusing those same politicians, and absolving them of any responsibility over the shitshow that is Brexit. You couldn't make it up. Its only really the most blinkered people who say that it isn't their fault.

David Davis was given the Brexit department, and then Theresa May decided to lead the Brexit negotiations herself via her pumped up little civil servant Ollie Robbins. This is why Davis left his job there, because he had no real control over what was going on.

At no point since the referendum has a Brexiteer had any real control. Boris Johnson and Michael Gove went for the job as PM but didn't get it.

[StirB]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	David Davis was given the Brexit department, and then Theresa May decided to lead the Brexit negotiations herself via her pumped up little civil servant Ollie Robbins. This is why Davis left his job there, because he had no real control over what was going on. At no point since the referendum has a Brexiteer had any real control. Boris Johnson and Michael Gove went for the job as PM but didn't get it.

That might be because it became immediately apparent that Davis couldn't find his own arse with both hands.

[J2488]

	Quote:	Sandgrounder
	Hope their deflective Teflon coating and blameless nature remains intact when it all unravels. I'm sure they'll form a thinktank on Best Excuses before then, though.

Looks like the thinktank will be ready even before we anticipated...

	Quote:	Loz1983
	David Davis was given the Brexit department, and then Theresa May decided to lead the Brexit negotiations herself via her pumped up little civil servant Ollie Robbins. This is why Davis left his job there, because he had no real control over what was going on. At no point since the referendum has a Brexiteer had any real control. Boris Johnson and Michael Gove went for the job as PM but didn't get it.

[Urs Max]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	I'm inclined to think the quicker the better.

There's a limit to everything. If you have no idea what needs to be done, and how, you can be as quick as you want you'll still end up in a chaos.

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Nope, not here. The outcome will still be worthwhile in the end. It's clear the government have made a pigs ear of the negotiations and the preparations for no deal, but that's hardly the Brexiteers fault. The most important thing now is that the UK leaves before Brexit gets sabotaged.

You're implying that there could be such a thing as a good negotiations. What's your evidence other than pie-in-the-sky promises by Farage et al?