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View Poll Results: What would you personally prefer to happen?
I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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Theresa May has ordered officials to start work on a British satellite-navigation system to rival the EU’s Galileo, in a show of strength as Brussels threatens to block the UK from its project.
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Dumb idea, I always thought Galileo is a huge waste of money; UK version even greater waste.
The US satellite-navigation system works perfectly well.

What is the idea? We throw away all our smart phones and navigation devices to get new ones compatible with these new satellite-navigation systems? Nuts!

Edit; UK has no systems capable of launching satellites so will we be going cap in hand to Russia?
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Dumb idea, I always thought Galileo is a huge waste of money; UK version even greater waste.
The US satellite-navigation system works perfectly well.

What is the idea? We throw away all our smart phones and navigation devices to get new ones compatible with these new satellite-navigation systems? Nuts!

Edit; UK has no systems capable of launching satellites so will we be going cap in hand to Russia?
While you're at it, start driving on the other side of the road and have the steering wheels also switched.

Oh wait...Nevermind.
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Old 26.08.2018, 09:22
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Recent devices (ie iPhone 6s and more recent) use all three GPS systems. When would anyone need two or more? Well most often in an urban environment where much of the sky is obscured by tall buildings.
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Old 26.08.2018, 15:49
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For all those people who told us if a EU deal failed then UK would trade under WTO rules

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'The moment that other countries begin to sense an opportunity to increase their market share or increase a quota here or there, they are going to go for that', says Roberto Azevêdo

If the UK does shift to WTO rules, Mr Azevêdo said some sectors will face significantly higher tariffs.

“It’s not going to be the end of the world, in the sense that trade is going to stop and that everything is going to fall down, no. But it’s not going to be a walk in the park either,” he added.
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The UK official technical notice about trading with the EU here paints a rosier picture which may not be true

Actually I found the wording confusing maybe I am having old timer day!

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In the event that the UK and the EU does not have a Free Trade Agreement (FTA) in place in a ‘no deal’ scenario, trade with the EU will be on non-preferential, World Trade Organisation terms.
This means that Most Favoured Nation (MFN) tariffs and non-preferential rules of origin would apply to consignments between the UK and EU.
I assume EU application of "Most Favoured Nation (MFN) tariffs" will require an agreement with the EU that is not yet in place?
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Old 26.08.2018, 15:52
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Recent devices (ie iPhone 6s and more recent) use all three GPS systems. When would anyone need two or more? Well most often in an urban environment where much of the sky is obscured by tall buildings.
Are the technical standards published for the planned UK GPS system?
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I bet India can't wait to be of service!
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Dumb idea, I always thought Galileo is a huge waste of money; UK version even greater waste.
The US satellite-navigation system works perfectly well.

What is the idea? We throw away all our smart phones and navigation devices to get new ones compatible with these new satellite-navigation systems? Nuts!

Edit; UK has no systems capable of launching satellites so will we be going cap in hand to Russia?
The U.K. has already sunk £1.2 billion into the project, this just typifies how petty the EU is. Though in the end it’s no huge loss as it’ll probably end up being shite like many joint European military projects are. A la Eurofighter.
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The U.K. has already sunk £1.2 billion into the project, this just typifies how petty the EU is.
It's the UK's decision to walk away, not the EU's.
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It's the UK's decision to walk away, not the EU's.
Check out the non EU countries that are also signed up to the programme.
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Are the technical standards published for the planned UK GPS system?
That would be the fourth GPS system. After the US, EU and Russia.
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The UK is part of Galileo thanks to its EU membership. Like many other organisations, leaving the EU without follow-up agreement means leaving Galileo.

It's the UK's choice to have a hard Brexit. Actions have consequences and this is one of them.

You are of course free to keep blaming the EU, just know that repeating a nonsensical statement doesn't make any more true.
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The UK is part of Galileo thanks to its EU membership. Like many other organisations, leaving the EU without follow-up agreement means leaving Galileo.

It's the UK's choice to have a hard Brexit. Actions have consequences and this is one of them.

You are of course free to keep blaming the EU, just know that repeating a nonsensical statement doesn't make any more true.
The U.K. government, which is negotiating Brexit, is currently looking for a soft departure. They’ve made clear from the outset that they wanted to remain a member of certain programmes and were willing to keep on paying their fair share to do so. This is sheer bloody mindedness from the EU, which is why the U.K. is demonstrating that it is willing to go it alone. They’ll just have their £1.4 billion back thank you.
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The U.K. government, which is negotiating Brexit, is currently looking for a soft departure. They’ve made clear from the outset that they wanted to remain a member of certain programmes and were willing to keep on paying their fair share to do so. This is sheer bloody mindedness from the EU, which is why the U.K. is demonstrating that it is willing to go it alone. They’ll just have their £1.4 billion back thank you.
And right from the start they were told that this is not possible, if they are unable to read A50 that is their problem. Any change in that status would require a treaty change, meaning at the very least a referendum in Ireland and possibly France and Denmark. Not to mention changes to the role of the ECJ in supervising such agreements and so on. That is not going to happen for the sake of a third country no matter how many excuses you bring forward.
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And right from the start they were told that this is not possible, if they are unable to read A50 that is their problem. Any change in that status would require a treaty change, meaning at the very least a referendum in Ireland and possibly France and Denmark. Not to mention changes to the role of the ECJ in supervising such agreements and so on. That is not going to happen for the sake of a third country no matter how many excuses you bring forward.
Have you even read A50? There would be no treaty change in order for the UK to remain part of the programme. This just typifies the sheer inflexibility and dogmatic approach of the EU. If they don't want the UK to remain a member of the programme then they should repay the UK's investment into it. Let the treaties plug that 15% hole.
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I've always found it at curious term this "People's Vote" that Remainers are campaigning for. As if the first vote wasn't voted for by the people

People's Vote campaign puts pressure on Labour leadership
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I've always found it at curious term this "People's Vote" that Remainers are campaigning for. As if the first vote wasn't voted for by the people

People's Vote campaign puts pressure on Labour leadership
I understand that it's a vote requested by the people rather than the final straw clutched at by David Cameron to help him win the election.

Cameron was aware that there was some pressure to hold such a vote but it was so ill-prepared and scandalously inept that it seems reasonable to hold the vote again but on a level playing field with all the cards on the table.

If vote Leave wins again then, fair's fair, at least the population knows what's what. Plus I think there would be a lot less noise than the there is now.
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I understand that it's a vote requested by the people rather than the final straw clutched at by David Cameron to help him win the election.

Cameron was aware that there was some pressure to hold such a vote but it was so ill-prepared and scandalously inept that it seems reasonable to hold the vote again but on a level playing field with all the cards on the table.

If vote Leave wins again then, fair's fair, at least the population knows what's what. Plus I think there would be a lot less noise than the there is now.
If vote Remain would win as second vote then I think fair's fair and Leave would be fully within their right to ignore it, just as many on the Remain side are trying to do with the first vote.
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If vote Remain would win as second vote then I think fair's fair and Leave would be fully within their right to ignore it, just as many on the Remain side are trying to do with the first vote.
But I think this is the point. The original referendum and campaign basically hoodwinked the electorate. The outcome was voted on a tissue thin load of smoke and mirrors, not to mention loaded egos.

It looks more like the hardened Brexiters are sh*t scared that a fair and informed campaign will knock the first result resoundingly into the grass.

If they are THAT confident nothing will change then why not go ahead with a new vote?
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But I think this is the point. The original referendum and campaign basically hoodwinked the electorate. The outcome was voted on a tissue thin load of smoke and mirrors, not to mention loaded egos.

It looks more like the hardened Brexiters are sh*t scared that a fair and informed campaign will knock the first result resoundingly into the grass.

If they are THAT confident nothing will change then why not go ahead with a new vote?
Because this is like asking for a football match to be replayed or an exam retaken because you don't like the outcome. You can have a second vote, but then don't complain when people call for a third one if they don't get the result they want.

The EU do this all the time btw.
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