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View Poll Results: What would you personally prefer to happen?
I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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Old 29.08.2018, 16:26
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Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Presumably any tariffs will be two way though - unless British manufacturers currently source no parts in the EU and have no workers from the EU then costs will also go up for them, with the comensurate increase in UK car prices.

This will probably also count for car imports from outside the EU, since currently many US cars are landed and assembled in Amsterdam to avoid certain duties needing to be paid. Maybe they'll land them in the UK instead, will all depend on whatever deals we magic up.
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Old 29.08.2018, 17:33
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A nice analogy for the enthusiasm for Brexit...
Read that as 'the euthanasia of Brexit'. One can dream...
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Old 29.08.2018, 18:24
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Read that as 'the euthanasia of Brexit'. One can dream...
Not so fast. Barnier's pulling something out of the bag...



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Sterling shot higher on Wednesday after the EU’s chief Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier indicated that he was close to offering the UK a deal.

“We are prepared to offer a partnership with Britain such as has never been with any other third country,” Mr Barnier was quoted by Reuters as saying.
Stay tuned, someone on the UK Brexit team will inevitably stare down the mouth of that proverbial gift horse out of bloody-mindedness.
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Old 29.08.2018, 18:53
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Not so fast. Barnier's pulling something out of the bag...





Stay tuned, someone on the UK Brexit team will inevitably stare down the mouth of that proverbial gift horse out of bloody-mindedness.
So the EU is backing down, sounds like they realise how a no deal is bad for the EU.

Michel Barnier, the EU’s chief Brexit negotiator, says the bloc is ready to offer the U.K. an unprecedented relationship which aims to keep ties as close as possible -- the kind of agreement the EU has not had with “any third country.”
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Old 29.08.2018, 19:18
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So the EU is backing down, sounds like they realise how a no deal is bad for the EU.

Michel Barnier, the EU’s chief Brexit negotiator, says the bloc is ready to offer the U.K. an unprecedented relationship which aims to keep ties as close as possible -- the kind of agreement the EU has not had with “any third country.”
Got a feeling that the Brexit camp are too arrogant and stupid to accept it, though.
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Old 29.08.2018, 19:36
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Aston Martin produces luxury cars, their fans are not the ones who are put off by a 5-10% price hike.
And he made these comments while they are preparing to list in the stock exchange? If there is a time to be bullish, it's exactly this time!

How many jobs is Aston Martin supporting and how many are supported by the mass production manufacturers like Nissan?
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Old 29.08.2018, 19:50
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Got a feeling that the Brexit camp are too arrogant and stupid to accept it, though.
Indeed they should push for more.
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Old 29.08.2018, 19:57
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Indeed they should push for more.
But somehow I think the EU will draw the line at the UK basically being a full member in all but name, enjoying all the benefits, whilst following none of the rules, all without having to chip into the kitty.
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Well the Swiss and the Norwegians will be queuing to secure similar concessions.
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Old 29.08.2018, 20:16
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Well the Swiss and the Norwegians will be queuing to secure similar concessions.
No chance as they don't have the balls to negotiate a better deal & neither are as important as the UK to the EU
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Old 29.08.2018, 21:25
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Yes, but for the Swiss it does kick the ball into the long grass.
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Old 29.08.2018, 22:26
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Well the Swiss and the Norwegians will be queuing to secure similar concessions.
Neither Switzerland nor Norway are third countries. This is to an unprecedented third country deal.

Still no cherry picking on the single market. Both Switzerland and Norway have access to the single with limitations.

We will have to wait and see what is actually on offer.
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Old 29.08.2018, 23:25
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Better not raise your hopes too high.

According to the Spiegel, German foreign minister Heiko Maas says access to the EEA "a la carte" is out of the question. Only access "as is" is possible, ie effectively the Norwegian model with all components (submission to EU regulations and ECJ, payments into the EU budget, etc). Reportedly Barnier said essentiall the same. Haas sees the Irish-NI border as the last big hurdle.

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"Europäischer Binnenmarkt bedeutet europäischer Binnenmarkt", sagte Barnier. Das sei "nicht verhandelbar". Die Briten "müssen respektieren, wer wir sind". "Letztlich wird es darum gehen, dass wir uns dem sogenannten Rosinenpicken widersetzen"
"EEA means EEA" said Barnier. "This is not negotiable. The British have to accept who we are. At the end of the day this will be about us refusing the UK's cherrypicking"[..]



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Old 30.08.2018, 10:29
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Panasonic to move Europe headquarters from UK to Amsterdam

"In the run-up to March 2019, a number of multinational firms have said they plan to move jobs out of the UK. Several Japanese financial companies have said they intend to move their main EU bases away from London.

"Japan is a major investor in the UK, where more than 800 Japanese companies employing more than 100,000 people. However, financial firms including Nomura, Sumitomo Mitsui and Daiwa have already said they will no longer maintain their EU headquarters in London."
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Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Sorry if my question interrupts the flow of the posts - but as Switzerland is a Non EU Country.
Can British Expats tell me if they have had any difficulties retaining any of your British bank accounts and Debit & Credit cards and in particular having them accept a Swiss address as your home address after moving to Switzerland.
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Old 31.08.2018, 19:03
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Sorry if my question interrupts the flow of the posts - but as Switzerland is a Non EU Country.
Can British Expats tell me if they have had any difficulties retaining any of your British bank accounts and Debit & Credit cards and in particular having them accept a Swiss address as your home address after moving to Switzerland.
Some do, some don't. It's you tax residence thats the issue.......
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Old 31.08.2018, 21:34
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Sorry if my question interrupts the flow of the posts - but as Switzerland is a Non EU Country.
Can British Expats tell me if they have had any difficulties retaining any of your British bank accounts and Debit & Credit cards and in particular having them accept a Swiss address as your home address after moving to Switzerland.
You know you have to declare such British bank accounts to the Swiss tax people and Monday the UK will inform Switzerland of all British bank accounts with a Swiss address!
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You know you have to declare such British bank accounts to the Swiss tax people and Monday the UK will inform Switzerland of all British bank accounts with a Swiss address!
You are writing that just like this, without a link?
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You are writing that just like this, without a link?
This topic has been discussed often enough in this forum, try the forum search
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Old 01.09.2018, 23:14
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BRUTAL - spot on.

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