The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

	Quote:	MsWorWoo
	Not saying Brexiters are easily led by big buisness interests and right wing media but..... http://gu.com/p/4ydd3?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Big business is almost universally pro-EU.

[k_and_e]

regarding the poll options, do you consider "I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU" as exit or remain?
I mean, a loosely connected EU doesn't really exist.

The Swiss economy could well be negatively affected by a Brexit vote - the CHF is highly likely to strengthen which will impact competitiveness.

http://www.srf.ch/news/schweiz/ein-b...haft-ans-limit

This from The Guardian today. Not only are Brexit voters racist, they're thick too.

Dom Joly posted something a few days back about all Brexit voters being manual workers or DM readers. That'll really help Dom, you fat prick.

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...climate-change

[MsWorWoo]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	This from The Guardian today. Not only are Brexit voters racist, they're thick too. Dom Joly posted something a few days back about all Brexit voters being manual workers or DM readers. That'll really help Dom, you fat prick. https://www.theguardian.com/environm...climate-change

Not thick... just easily manipulated by very influential and powerful people who push their own monetary interests ahead of the survival of the species and human rights (such as to water).

	Quote:	Loz1983
	This from The Guardian today. Not only are Brexit voters racist, they're thick too.

Where does it say that? The item points to certain trends from polling data. Seems to be you that is deciding that means they are thick.

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Dom Joly posted something a few days back about all Brexit voters being manual workers or DM readers.

Also substantiated by polling data.. Exit voters are disproportionately CDE. As and Bs are fairly strongly remain.

[st2lemans]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	This from The Guardian today. Not only are Brexit voters racist, they're thick too.

"Brexiters are more likely to think the media exaggerates how settled climate science is; distrust scientists; have sympathy with creationism; oppose onshore windfarms and support fracking."

Well, other than the creationism bit, I agree 100%.

So, how do I become a Brit so that I can vote to leave?

Tom

	Quote:	MsWorWoo
	Not thick... just easily manipulated

So thick then.

	Quote:	MsWorWoo
	by very influential and powerful people who push their own monetary interests ahead of the survival of the species and human rights (such as to water).

Eh?! Virtually every influential and powerful person and organisation has come out in support of Remain.

	Quote:	Loz1983
	This from The Guardian today. Not only are Brexit voters racist, they're thick too. Dom Joly posted something a few days back about all Brexit voters being manual workers or DM readers. That'll really help Dom, you fat prick. https://www.theguardian.com/environm...climate-change

Lol, lol and more lol! I see the Guardian hasn't allowed any response from the public. Wise move - would be chewed up and spat out by now

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Eh?! Virtually every influential and powerful person and organisation has come out in support of Remain.

Except of course Murdoch, Paul Dacre and the Barclays who probably have more influence than the rest put together.

[robBob]

Read this last night. Scary! Now its clear to me. How dare the EU telling the Brits they have to get rid of their tea pots!

http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2016/0...Election-Trump

[Mikers]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	So thick then. Eh?! Virtually every influential and powerful person and organisation has come out in support of Remain.

Thing is though, they are ahead and might well win! Can you imagine it ? the thick, racist, easily led, unbelievers have been told what to do time and time and time again by The Intelligent People but they just dont get it! They keep on voting to leave!

What more can you do ? I mean if these people are so thick that even when you shout at them "Vote To Remain Or I'll Half Your Pension!" or "Vote Remain Or I'll Make You Poor!" they still vote to leave.

What a catastrophe. What are Rich Intelligent People to do in these circumstances ?

[amogles]

	Quote:	Mikers
	Thing is though, they are ahead and might well win! Can you imagine it ? the thick, racist, easily led, unbelievers have been told what to do time and time and time again by The Intelligent People but they just dont get it! They keep on voting to leave! What more can you do ? I mean if these people are so thick that even when you shout at them "Vote To Remain Or I'll Half Your Pension!" or "Vote Remain Or I'll Make You Poor!" they still vote to leave. What a catastrophe. What are Rich Intelligent People to do in these circumstances ?

All this is so frustrating.

I do say old chap, back in the day only landowners like us and people with big money could vote. But us old Etonians fought tooth and nail to get universal suffrage so we could pretend we had the support of the unwashed masses. But rather than falling to their knees and kissing our boots these idiots have the audacity to vote as they see fit rather than as we tell them. This undermines the entire conecpt of democracy, wot?

Ha! One of my neighbours here in Hampshire is a retired teacher; spends as much time as he can in Europe, loves the place. He has recently returned from a group Volcano hike in Sicily. He is voting out as are most people he knows, bar one.

His reasons to vote leave are all based on the way in which the EU works and the surreptitious way it has negatively evolved over the years. No mention of immigrants or the effects on the british way of life, etc.

When I asked him about the threat to his pension, he laughed and went back to working on his roses

	Quote:	Loz1983
	So thick then.

So according to you those who think the media exaggerates how settled climate science is; distrust scientists; have sympathy with creationism; oppose onshore windfarms and support fracking are thick?

Actually I would tend to agree. But surprised that is your interpretation

[Sbrinz]

I find it very worrying that the little Engländers that wish to leave often proclaim that the EU is not democratic enough: yet these same Wallies are happy to be ruled by the house of lords and the royal family, whom are mostly unelected landowners.

[MidfieldGeneral]

	Quote:	Sbrinz
	I find it very worrying that the little Engländers that wish to leave often proclaim that the EU is not democratic enough: yet these same Wallies are happy to be ruled by the house of lords and the royal family, whom are mostly unelected landowners.

Turnout in the 2015 General Election was 66.10% - I wonder what percentage were Brexiters who believe in seizing back democracy from Brussels.

	Quote:	Sbrinz
	I find it very worrying that the little Engländers that wish to leave often proclaim that the EU is not democratic enough: yet these same Wallies are happy to be ruled by the house of lords and the royal family, whom are mostly unelected landowners.

I wouldn't want to be ruled by the house of lords, the royal family, even the house of commons in it's current form. But getting rid of Europe is a start.

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	So according to you those who think the media exaggerates how settled climate science is; distrust scientists; have sympathy with creationism; oppose onshore windfarms and support fracking are thick? Actually I would tend to agree. But surprised that is your interpretation

It's simple. The Guardian think that climate change is beyond question and that anyone who doesn't subscribe to it must be a bit stupid. Just google climate change on their website and read some of the opinion pieces.

The article I linked was their not-so-very suitable way of saying "look at the leave voters, they don't believe in climate change so are too witless to have an opinion on Brexit". Why else would they publish such an article? The two have nothing whatsoever to do with each other.

It's great really, the socially minded Grauniad printing this, Geldof sticking up the Vs at British fisherman, just proving the gulf between "the progressive left" and the working classes is getting wider.

Really interesting and on-the-ball essay by R. Tuck about the difficulties facing Labour with their support of the EU.

Richard Tuck is the Frank G. Thomson Professor of Government at Harvard

The Left Case for Brexit

[marton]

	Quote:	robBob
	Read this last night. Scary! Now its clear to me. How dare the EU telling the Brits they have to get rid of their tea pots! http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2016/0...Election-Trump

It is all a bit confused; the EU proposal is to reduce the power of kettles used to boil water for tea not to ban tea pots; or used to boil water for coffee in foreign parts.