The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[RufusB]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Erm, yes they would actually, especially pre-Brexit referendum. Here's what the UK electoral map would look like with Proportional Representation Election 2015: What difference would proportional representation have made?

A whole extra dozen. Woo hoo. On a par with the Greens and half as many as the SNP. Yep, lots of political clout missed...

UKIP are ridiculous and seemingly function only to incite. There's my opinion for you.

[Sandgrounder]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Erm, yes they would actually, especially pre-Brexit referendum. Here's what the UK electoral map would look like with Proportional Representation Election 2015: What difference would proportional representation have made?

Maybe it wouldn't have been a bad thing to give them the seats that it would have worked out at (12? or whatever).

It would have taken the public a nanosecond to suss them out as fakes. No substance, no policy, no clue and they would have been kicked into touch once and for all. Now they linger around like a bad smell purely on the basis of their dog-whistle fantasy stuff.

Putting their money where their mouth is, would have been the final nail in the coffin for them.

	Quote:	RufusB
	A whole extra dozen. Woo hoo. On a par with the Greens and half as many as the SNP. Yep, lots of political clout missed...

Yes, more than the Lib Dems have now under FPTP. Not bad for a party whose sole purpose for existence has now gone.

[RufusB]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Yes, more than the Lib Dems have now under FPTP. Not bad for a party whose sole purpose for existence has now gone.

But on your link the Lib Dems would have risen to 48. Who also have 12 on FPTP. 12 ... is not more than 12. Your point being? You can't compare apples and oranges as the mood takes you.

So... UKIP as a party are now, irrevocably, entirely redundant? On this we agree.

[Reb77Br]

'A second referendum offers the real can-do spirit of the Second World War, not hard Brexit': 95-year-old veteran's message to Boris Johnson

A contrast to the jingoism of Johnson, Farage and Co.

	Quote:	RufusB
	But on your link the Lib Dems would have risen to 48. Who also have 12 on FPTP. 12 ... is not more than 12. Your point being? You can't compare apples and oranges as the mood takes you. So... UKIP as a party are now, irrevocably, entirely redundant? On this we agree.

You said "a whole extra dozen", I was pointing out that the Lib Dems have less than this now, so it's not an insignificant number as they are still considered to hold influence in UK politics. But you knew that didn't you?

[Blueangel]

	Quote:
	BMW to shut Mini factory in Oxford for a month after Brexit day - Sky sources The temporary shutdown will cost millions, and will have a knock-on effect for thousands of workers across the BMW supply chain.

https://news.sky.com/story/bmw-to-sh...urces-11501360

[RufusB]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	You said "a whole extra dozen", I was pointing out that the Lib Dems have less than this now, so it's not an insignificant number as they are still considered to hold influence in UK politics. But you knew that didn't you?

Yep. Zero plus 12 is 12. I guess my idiom may have confused. Lib dems have around a dozen now. Same number. Different stats.

Go on, enlighten me about the state of UK politics. You know I live in the UK, right?

[John William]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Farage and UKIP have probably had the greatest impact on UK politics in a generation. And all with only one MP.

Yes they succeeded in making Britain a laughing stock with Brexit and added to our mockery by
bringing to the fore, charlatan politicians like the buffoon Boris Johnson and the man who missed
his calling by not being born decades earlier to join Neville Chamberlains cabinet; Jacob Rees-Mogg.

	Quote:	RufusB
	Go on, enlighten me about the state of UK politics. You know I live in the UK, right?

Whoopie doo. I'm back an forth every other week at the moment. What's your point?

	Quote:	John William
	Yes they succeeded in making Britain a laughing stock with Brexit and added to our mockery by bringing to the fore, charlatan politicians like the buffoon Boris Johnson and the man who missed his calling by not being born decades earlier to join Neville Chamberlains cabinet; Jacob Rees-Mogg.

Surprised you're able to sit down with all that butt hurt.

[RufusB]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Whoopie doo. I'm back an forth every other week at the moment. What's your point?

My point, I suppose, is that you seem to think no-one else has either a clue about UK politics or a valid opinion. You throw out little sound bites and appear to think folk should just fall in line..

So you're a regular visitor to the UK. Well done. As plenty of people get told on EF: visiting is not the same as residing. Are you eligible to vote in the UK, out of interest?

[Urs Max]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	https://news.sky.com/story/bmw-to-sh...urces-11501360

Oh come on, stop that fearmongering already.

	Quote:	RufusB
	My point, I suppose, is that you seem to think no-one else has either a clue about UK politics or a valid opinion. You throw out little sound bites and appear to think folk should just fall in line.. So you're a regular visitor to the UK. Well done. As plenty of people get told on EF: visiting is not the same as residing. Are you eligible to vote in the UK, out of interest?

Yes, I am eligible to vote, however I don't. As for falling into line, I don't think you've been paying attention.

I think it's finally dawning on the EU that even they will struggle to keep Ireland going in the event of a no deal Brexit.

Brexit: EU 'ready to improve' Irish border proposal

[baboon]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	I think it's finally dawning on the EU that even they will struggle to keep Ireland going in the event of a no deal Brexit. Brexit: EU 'ready to improve' Irish border proposal

Alternatively https://www.theguardian.com/politics...n-irish-border

BTW the UK-Ireland balance of trade is $ 6.7 billion. In favour of the UK. So who has most to loose?

[RufusB]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Yes, I am eligible to vote, however I don't. As for falling into line, I don't think you've been paying attention.

You don't vote?

Not been paying attention to what? This thread in general or you in particular?

	Quote:	baboon
	Alternatively https://www.theguardian.com/politics...n-irish-border BTW the UK-Ireland balance of trade is $ 6.7 billion. In favour of the UK. So who has most to loose?

This isn't about who has most to lose, it's about the sheer logistical challenge of keeping Ireland going in the event of a no-deal Brexit.

[baboon]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	This isn't about who has most to lose, it's about the sheer logistical challenge of keeping Ireland going in the event of a no-deal Brexit.

Which is why Ireland has been developing alternative logistic chains and generally making preparations - the reality is they are way ahead of the UK here.

For example http://www.thejournal.ie/coveney-to-...41037-Sep2018/

	Quote:	baboon
	Which is why Ireland has been developing alternative logistic chains and generally making preparations - the reality is they are way ahead of the UK here. For example http://www.thejournal.ie/coveney-to-...41037-Sep2018/

You'll find stories like this but the reality is that Ireland is about as prepared for a No Deal Brexit as the UK is, i.e. not at all.

[StirB]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	You'll find stories like this but the reality is that Ireland is about as prepared for a No Deal Brexit as the UK is, i.e. not at all.

To be fair, Ireland want open borders with the North so why do they need to do any leg work at all on this? Any hard border with the North will annoy the Northern Irish far more than their southern couterparts and will only push the case for a united Ireland. Ireland is remaining in the EU, it turns out.