The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

Well Theresa May is going to make surprise statement in about half an hour on Brexit. Get the popcorn at the ready.

For my reckoning she's going to have to do something pretty drastic now so that the EU know she's serious.

[StirB]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Well Theresa May is going to make surprise statement in about half an hour on Brexit. Get the popcorn at the ready. For my reckoning she's going to have to do something pretty drastic now so that the EU know she's serious.

We're declaring war on Spain, you read it here first.

	Quote:	StirB
	We're declaring war on Spain, you read it here first.

I'm thinking more along the lines of a statement ramping up No Deal planning. Imagine if it's another election

[Dougal's Breakfast]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Imagine if it's another election

What kind of Prime Minister would call an election at a time of national uncertainty while her party already holds a majority in Parliament? I mean, really?

Oh...

[Sandgrounder]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Well Theresa May is going to make surprise statement in about half an hour on Brexit. Get the popcorn at the ready. For my reckoning she's going to have to do something pretty drastic now so that the EU know she's serious.

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Well in the end it was load of words with little substance basically saying the ball is in the EU's court. Only highlight was that she told anyone to fook off if they think she's overturning the result of the referendum.

[Sandgrounder]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Well in the end it was load of words with little substance basically saying the ball is in the EU's court. Only highlight was that she told anyone to fook off if they think she's overturning the result of the referendum.

Did she use the words "clearly" and "focus" as if they were commas again?

[rainer_d]

Is it just me or is everybody (=EU+GB politicians) playing chicken here?


That could end badly.

	Quote:	Sandgrounder
	Did she use the words "clearly" and "focus" as if they were commas again?

She looked pretty pissed to be fair, not seen her like that before.

	Quote:	rainer_d
	Is it just me or is everybody (=EU+GB politicians) playing chicken here? That could end badly.

Nah, it's just the EU being the EU. Anyone with half a brain can see that Theresa May has moved as far as is possible for her, further in fact as her proposal will never get through Parlament. If the EU want a deal they need to take the threat of no deal seriously. If they don't then no deal is what will happen.

[baboon]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Nah, it's just the EU being the EU. Anyone with half a brain can see that Theresa May has moved as far as is possible for her, further in fact as her proposal will never get through Parlament. If the EU want a deal they need to take the threat of no deal seriously. If they don't then no deal is what will happen.

or just possibly the UK should take the importance of the Single Market seriously and realise the EU cannot compromise on that or risk betraying the 460m people and 27 countries that remain in the EU.

I agree no deal is highly likely and that is going to hit the UK hard. Much harder than the EU.

I see the GBP has dropped by over 0.5 cents since May started talking.

[rainer_d]

	Quote:	baboon
	or just possibly the UK should take the importance of the Single Market seriously and realise the EU cannot compromise on that or risk betraying the 460m people and 27 countries that remain in the EU. I agree no deal is highly likely and that is going to hit the UK hard. Much harder than the EU. I see the GBP has dropped by over 0.5 cents since May started talking.

The EU never had a problem betraying its citizens any time it seems convenient to do so.


The citizens are really more of a nuisance than of much help in fulfilling the political dreams of many EU politicians.

	Quote:	baboon
	or just possibly the UK should take the importance of the Single Market seriously and realise the EU cannot compromise on that or risk betraying the 460m people and 27 countries that remain in the EU. I agree no deal is highly likely and that is going to hit the UK hard. Much harder than the EU. I see the GBP has dropped by over 0.5 cents since May started talking.

Likewise the EU needs to take seriously the referendum result and the "importance" of keeping the country together. If it weren't for Northern Ireland, this would be a lot simpler. Can't they just be jettisoned?

[baboon]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Likewise the EU needs to take seriously the referendum result and the "importance" of keeping the country together. If it weren't for Northern Ireland, this would be a lot simpler. Can't they just be jettisoned?

Why? It's the Uk that wants to leave the EU not vv.

	Quote:	baboon
	Why? It's the Uk that wants to leave the EU not vv.

As both sides want a deal, and it's in each others interest to strike one. That's how negotiations work. The UK deciding to leave doesn't mean they have to bow to every single demand that the EU makes.

An interesting side note, Theresa May also virtually guaranteed the rights of EU citizens in the UK in the event of no deal. The way things have been going, she probably should have done this a long time ago.

[McTAVGE]

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[dandi]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	As both sides want a deal, and it's in each others interest to strike one. That's how negotiations work. The UK deciding to leave doesn't mean they have to bow to every single demand that the EU makes.

The UK placed itself into the bendover position the moment it decided to hold the referendum. This being a balancing act in which one of the parties (the UK) wants the deal more than the other (the EU), evidently the side wanting is the one that has to take some on the chin (or elsewhere).

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	An interesting side note, Theresa May also virtually guaranteed the rights of EU citizens in the UK in the event of no deal. The way things have been going, she probably should have done this a long time ago.

That is one of the few negotiating cards the UK had to play, and it played it very early. Although you can argue that playing on that card differently would have placed the UK in a really, really negative view towards the whole of Europe and the world.

Otherwise it's obvious why the "Checkers" deal doesn't work, and this has been the issue from the start and it will be to the end. The UK doesn't want a hard border with Ireland, but it wants to be part of a different market. This doesn't work. Borders and markets are too intrinsically linked to be separated.

The "hard brexit" is the only card the UK has to play at the moment, and frankly, the EU doesn't seem to be too bothered if it goes that way. So better prepare for it...

[StirB]

SNP Party Conference at the start of October - I wonder if TM could have possibly given them any better a leg up for a second Indy vote?

[McTAVGE]

[Sandgrounder]

	Quote:	McTAVGE

Sadly, hilarious as it is, and maybe even an element of truth to it, Snopes debunked it as fake...