The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Project fear also lied, the Chancellor claimed the UK would immediately after a leave vote be plunged into recession & an emergency budget would be needed. Neither happened it was a total lie. There was no contract with anybody, nobody agreed to pay anything which is a requirement of a contract as you should know. It was just a vote where people expressed their own opinions many of which were wrong which is totally normal. The UK will thrive over the next 50 years being independent, the EU probably won't survive that long as it will be totally bankrupt.

The whataboutism is immaterial and irrelevant. ALL parties involved talked out of their anuses throughout the whole campaign and this was all the public had to help them make their minds up.

THAT in itself is grounds for scratching the whole show and starting from the beginning again.

The strident confidence you have that "the UK will thrive over the next 50 years" is just hot air. Nobody can possibly know that for any country anywhere so it just goes on the pile of flimsy and cheap Brexit jingoism which says everything and says nothing at the same time. That sort of nonsense got everyone into the mess in the first place.

[me.anon]

Watching this whole BREXIT performance gives me the same cringing sensation as when watching, say, an old episode of Fawlty Towers. It is not that it no longer funny (it is no longer funny) but seeing a scene such as the hotel proprietor jumping around, hitting himself across the back side with a newspaper and exclaiming "who is a naughty boy then" (I hope I recall the scene correctly) causes one to wonder how grown adults can demean themselves to perform such antics. It is the same with the politicians who are managing the BREXIT story. Now a similar pitiful sight, but actually worse because it is not intended to be a comedy.

I could well imagine now that May decides now to call a snap general election, this time with the sincere hope that the conservatives lose it, in order to leave someone else to clean the mess that they have made.

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	ALL parties involved talked out of their anuses throughout the whole campaign and this was all the public had to help them make their minds up.

There are decades' worth of EU treaties and documents and transcripts of speeches freely available online.

They were enough to persuade me, regardless of the bilge I heard emanating from the United Kingdom. I'd welcome a second vote, because I'm pretty sure those treaties, documents and speeches haven't changed since the last time I read them.

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	Shad-dow. Therefore just words.

Yup, for now. However it is a major step towards guaranteeing that Brexit actually happens. Both parties who can win the next election have now ruled out stopping the process. This is why those advocating the "People's Vote" have gone into meltdown.

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	There are decades' worth of EU treaties and documents and transcripts of speeches freely available online. They were enough to persuade me, regardless of the bilge I heard emanating from the United Kingdom. I'd welcome a second vote, because I'm pretty sure those treaties, documents and speeches haven't changed since the last time I read them.

Fully agree but it would be interesting to know how many people, apart from you, read them, and didn't just rely on Farage, Gove and Bojo's EU-Jackanory routine.

I think I would be more in favour of Brexit if the campaign re-ran but this time the two sides have to stick to the hard and dry facts instead of the frankly embarrassing circus the first time around.

Half of the work is done for them already seeing as so much information has come out since the referendum.

If the public were to vote out after all that, then fair enough. Plus the EU would have very little to argue against.

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Project fear also lied, the Chancellor claimed the UK would immediately after a leave vote be plunged into recession & an emergency budget would be needed. Neither happened it was a total lie. There was no contract with anybody, nobody agreed to pay anything which is a requirement of a contract as you should know. It was just a vote where people expressed their own opinions many of which were wrong which is totally normal. The UK will thrive over the next 50 years being independent, the EU probably won't survive that long as it will be totally bankrupt.

Hmmm Brexit has not happened yet - has it?

Oh yes there is a contract of sales - between the Government and the People - the Government sold us 'Brexit' - with the typical fraudulent lies of your average cockney second-hand car dealer, à la Delboy and worse.

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Yup, for now. However it is a major step towards guaranteeing that Brexit actually happens. Both parties who can win the next election have now ruled out stopping the process. This is why those advocating the "People's Vote" have gone into meltdown.

The Peoples Vote is calling for a final say on the Brexit deal, not stopping the process.

Not an all together crazy idea, given the reckless and brainless approach thus far by the people supposedly in charge.

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	The Peoples Vote is calling for a final say on the Brexit deal, not stopping the process.

You believe that?

	Quote:	Loz1983
	You believe that?

Well, let's just say it's about as believable as anyone and anything in this whole process.

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	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	There was no contract with anybody, nobody agreed to pay anything which is a requirement of a contract as you should know.

Regardless of whether your point is correct or not, your statement above is not correct. A contract requires a "consideration", which may or may not be financial. It may be a promise, or even a commitment not to do something. A consideration is usually something of value to at least one of the parties but is not always simply money or a "payment".

I see this as Labour tentatively moving forward, as in the first to say something concrete about a new vote, albeit a limited one. More will be said later, no doubt..

This is how Brexit will be delivered, with something that actually isn't Brexit

[fatmanfilms]

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	Hmmm Brexit has not happened yet - has it? Oh yes there is a contract of sales - between the Government and the People - the Government sold us 'Brexit' - with the typical fraudulent lies of your average cockney second-hand car dealer, à la Delboy and worse.

So what did you give the counter party to this supposed contract. Nothing so your entitled to nothing back

[marton]

Often posted here but many doubted it

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	Flights could cease between the UK and the rest of the EU if Britain crashes out of the bloc without a deal, the government has said. In its latest set of “no deal” notices, the government said flights could be disrupted because the EU-issued aviation licences would not be valid and airlines would have to seek individual permissions to operate with respective states. “If the UK leaves the EU in March 2019 with no agreement in place, UK and EU licensed airlines would lose the automatic right to operate air services between the UK and the EU without seeking advance permission,” said the government.

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Also " “pet owners intending to travel to the EU on 30 March 2019 would need to discuss requirements with their vet before the end of November 2018”."

[baboon]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Yup, for now. However it is a major step towards guaranteeing that Brexit actually happens. Both parties who can win the next election have now ruled out stopping the process....

Or maybe not

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...emaining-in-eu

[baboon]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	So what did you give the counter party to this supposed contract. Nothing so your entitled to nothing back

Their votes were the consideration. OK, not Odile's I'm sure, but just over half of those who voted.

[fatmanfilms]

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	Hmmm Brexit has not happened yet - has it? .

You need to re-read & understand what I wrote.

[marton]

Weetabix wars!

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	Weetabix wars: dozens of boxes of British cereal to be destroyed in New Zealand Fight between British shop and cereal giant ends in decision that labels of British import must be covered up

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Complications of international trade

	Quote:	marton
	Weetabix wars! Source Complications of international trade

FFS - butthurt over the wording so trash perfectly good food.

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	FFS - butthurt over the wording so trash perfectly good food.

I hear the head of the British Cereal Council went over there in person to negotiate, but got a frosties reception.

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	Quote:	marton
	Weetabix wars! Source Complications of international trade

Weetabix is and always has been a shameless copy of Sanitarium's Weet-Bix. As for "[Wilson] said the look, taste and packaging of Weet-Bix and Weetabix were completely different and could not be easily confused", what nonsense! Both are compressed wheat biscuits and they look and taste virtually identical.

I fully agree that the potential to confuse one product with the other is very high.