The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[bowlie]

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	No I don't, the electorate are not that stupid.

I don’t think the evidence supports that conclusion.

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	I don’t think the evidence supports that conclusion.

After the whoppers that people swallowed for Brexit, I guess anything is possible.

Massive stand-up ovation for Keir Starmer at Conference today- when he announced that they should push for a people's vote- and one that DOES include REMAIN as an option.

Push over Corbyn - please - those days are gone.

https://youtu.be/qpEdS7lrqjw

best thing I've seen or heard in a looooong time <3

Starmer is tapping into a growing wave of opposition to Brexit, two years on from the 2016 vote. That wave is strong in the Labour party – almost 90% of its members support remain, YouGov found last week.

A rather satisfying Twitter thread which kind of encapsulates the fog of misinformation of the EU and tariffs by people who should know better but invent their own version of the truth to fit their own agenda...

Daniel Kawczynski, MP won't be able to sit down for a week after the spanking he got.

TL: DR? He asserts that the "EU protectionist racket" is charging "massive tariffs" on your every day fruit and veg from outside the EU in supermarkets.

It isn't (with proof).

I guess he'll delete it before long as there is no comeback in the universe which will make it better for him.

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	A rather satisfying Twitter thread which kind of encapsulates the fog of misinformation of the EU and tariffs by people who should know better but invent their own version of the truth to fit their own agenda... Daniel Kawczynski, MP won't be able to sit down for a week after the spanking he got. TL: DR? He asserts that the "EU protectionist racket" is charging "massive tariffs" on your every day fruit and veg from outside the EU in supermarkets. It isn't (with proof). I guess he'll delete it before long as there is no comeback in the universe which will make it better for him.

I grew up in Shrewsbury, this is indeed a pleasing turn of events. The man is an odious, lying toad.

[lewton]

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	A rather satisfying Twitter thread which kind of encapsulates the fog of misinformation of the EU and tariffs by people who should know better but invent their own version of the truth to fit their own agenda... Daniel Kawczynski, MP won't be able to sit down for a week after the spanking he got. TL: DR? He asserts that the "EU protectionist racket" is charging "massive tariffs" on your every day fruit and veg from outside the EU in supermarkets. It isn't (with proof). I guess he'll delete it before long as there is no comeback in the universe which will make it better for him.

Do Brexiteers know he was born in Poland?

56% of Tory members now say they would vote to Remain now - and 87% of Labour members - wow.

+ 100% of Greens and Lib Dems - that is quite a crowd. Old folks who voted for B are now dead, thos who were too young are now able to vote ...
quite a change ...

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	56% of Tory members now say they would vote to Remain now - and 87% of Labour members - wow. + 100% of Greens and Lib Dems - that is quite a crowd. Old folks who voted for B are now dead, thos who were too young are now able to vote ... quite a change ...

Although you haven't posted a link, from your wording this specifically refers to party members, not supporters. Only a tiny minority of the electorate are actually party members so don't raise your hopes too far just yet...

'Brexit Britain will be land of low tax and opportunity'

Don't know if it's just the shite journalism of MailOnline but that headline would have benefited from a comma in there...

[fatmanfilms]

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	'Brexit Britain will be land of low tax and opportunity' Don't know if it's just the shite journalism of MailOnline but that headline would have benefited from a comma in there...

Whats not to like, low tax & opportunities, before 1979 UK was high tax country, so no attempt to emulate pre 1973.

[bigblue2]

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	Massive stand-up ovation for Keir Starmer at Conference today- when he announced that they should push for a people's vote- and one that DOES include REMAIN as an option. Push over Corbyn - please - those days are gone. https://youtu.be/qpEdS7lrqjw best thing I've seen or heard in a looooong time <3 Starmer is tapping into a growing wave of opposition to Brexit, two years on from the 2016 vote. That wave is strong in the Labour party – almost 90% of its members support remain, YouGov found last week.

<sigh> its all just smoke and mirrors, they know full well there isn't enough time left before brexit hits to have another vote, not that they are in power anyway so what they say means nothing. All this is is so in a years time when its blindingly obvious its all gone titsup they can shout loudly "hey, we'd have had another vote"

Even if by some miracle there was another vote tomorrow, it wouldn't matter a jot what the outcome was, article 50 has been triggered, the ship has sailed, the EU won't turn round and say, oh, ok, you can stay you little tinkers.

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	Whats not to like, low tax & opportunities, before 1979 UK was high tax country, so no attempt to emulate pre 1973.

"...low tax, and opportunities."

Sort of an "eats shoots and leaves" thing but never mind. It was only a minor glimmer of humour in an otherwise stupid article.

Anything- absolutely anything... can happen at this stage ...

you lot are so lucky to be out of there, and on Swiss pensions, for sure.

[fatmanfilms]

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	Anything- absolutely anything... can happen at this stage ... you lot are so lucky to be out of there, and on Swiss pensions, for sure.

Hard Brexit or a deal are the ONLY 2 options, you need to live in the real world.

Very few Swiss will be on a final salary gold plated scheme unlike UK teachers & Doctors.

[bigblue2]

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	Hard Brexit or a deal are the ONLY 2 options, you need to live in the real world. Very few Swiss will be on a final salary gold plated scheme unlike UK teachers & Doctors.

and that 'deal' will be, everything stays the same, you pay the same, the laws and rules are the same, but..... you don't get a vote, you don't get a rebate, and we get to **** you up the **** whenever we like.

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	Even if by some miracle there was another vote tomorrow, it wouldn't matter a jot what the outcome was, article 50 has been triggered, the ship has sailed, the EU won't turn round and say, oh, ok, you can stay you little tinkers.

General legal opinion is that Article 50 can be reversed. ECJ hasn't yet ruled but lower courts have and in favour.

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-b...-idUSKBN1GW195

[bigblue2]

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	General legal opinion is that Article 50 can be reversed. ECJ hasn't yet ruled but lower courts have and in favour. https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-b...-idUSKBN1GW195

maybe, with the permission of all the other members, which wouldn't happen

[fatmanfilms]

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	and that 'deal' will be, everything stays the same, you pay the same, the laws and rules are the same, but..... you don't get a vote, you don't get a rebate, and we get to **** you up the **** whenever we like.

Then hard Brexit, whats not to like, nothing to pay to EU.

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	Then hard Brexit, whats not to like, nothing to pay to EU.

It's a bit optimistic and a tad naive to claim there will be "nothing" to pay the EU after any kind of Brexit, never mind a hard Brexit.

[bigblue2]

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	Then hard Brexit, whats not to like, nothing to pay to EU.

that will be even worse