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View Poll Results: What would you personally prefer to happen?
I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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Old 29.09.2018, 20:23
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Because you have absolutely no understanding of the Northern Ireland mentality. People up there live in two parallel universes and the GFA makes it possible for them to do so. The republicans can feel that they have won because they can cross back and forth over a none existent border, while the unionists who dominate the NI government can look to Union and feel they maintain their side, without the obligation to uphold a border. The introduction of checks and controls would bring reality crashing in and that might have serious consequences for everyone.

The other thing to understand is that work of the border committee was never completed. The line was drawn on the map, but the follow up survey to ensure it was actually feasible was never carried out. The result is that there are areas where neither side could tell you for definite where the border is. There are houses where two rooms with no doorway are on once side of the border while the two main doors are on the other side, the are roads where one side on each side of the border, roads that cross back and forth over the border for a few hundred meters and so no.
"roads that cross back and forth over the border for a few hundred meters" Not unusual for borders! Look at the road that runs east from Schaffhausen along the North bank of the Rhein!
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Old 29.09.2018, 20:31
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Same here, as I live so close to the border - but it is pretty irelevant to Ireland situation !?! (and we have Schengen too on both sides).
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Old 29.09.2018, 20:59
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Old 29.09.2018, 21:09
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BoJo a real cokehead:

'Amid a blizzard of publicity pre-Tory conference, Sir Alan Duncan said the former foreign secretary and hardline Brexiteer needs a “regular fix” of publicity.

Speaking to the Spectator he said: “There was only room for one showman in the Foreign Office. I get on with the diplomacy.

“But for Boris? Publicity is his cocaine. He needs a regular fix.

“And he equates getting publicity with having political power and authority and respect.

“But I think what he doesn’t realise is that whereas he used to be an electoral asset, that is now waning.”

From the New European today.
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Old 29.09.2018, 21:17
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"roads that cross back and forth over the border for a few hundred meters" Not unusual for borders! Look at the road that runs east from Schaffhausen along the North bank of the Rhein!
Like I said absolutely no understanding of the NI mentally!
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Old 30.09.2018, 11:00
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Project fear also lied, the Chancellor claimed the UK would immediately after a leave vote be plunged into recession & an emergency budget would be needed. Neither happened it was a total lie.

There was no contract with anybody, nobody agreed to pay anything which is a requirement of a contract as you should know. It was just a vote where people expressed their own opinions many of which were wrong which is totally normal. The UK will thrive over the next 50 years being independent, the EU probably won't survive that long as it will be totally bankrupt.
Might want a rethink, FMF...

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-pounds-a-week
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Just ONE question, a simple one, to the Brexiters among us.

Could you kindly outline a workable, acceptable to all sides, solution for the Irish Border. I'll wait with eager anticipation- thanks.
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Old 30.09.2018, 12:42
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Just ONE question, a simple one, to the Brexiters among us.

Could you kindly outline a workable, acceptable to all sides, solution for the Irish Border. I'll wait with eager anticipation- thanks.
There isn't one so it'll end up being a hard border after all.
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While you are pondering Odie's question please recall the technical solution developed by the Conservatives for their gabfest.
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Old 30.09.2018, 12:58
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Oh yes- so sorry I missed the porn pictures on Bojo's profile

talk about *iss up in a brewery...
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Old 30.09.2018, 13:33
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Seems no-one is coming forward- so ...


as no-one has found a workable solution - perhaps then we can confirm the conclusion most experts have agreed on- there is none.

Now, personally- I agree that a united Ireland does seem like the perfect solution. But- as Kielty explains so well, this is NOT going to happen, not for at least 2 or 3 generations, and probably never. Go and talk to people from Omagh, or Armagh (as I have because of family ties) - and even the moderates, not the Marching Orange men types, will say NO, NEVER. Some of them, because of their business, cross over several times a day- with part of the business or farm on one side, part on the other.

But - leaving history aside, and back to Mrs May, the Conservatives, Brexit and JC. If you do not want JC as Prime Minister - then Mrs May and the Tories losing the support of the DUP - will give you JC on a silver platter at this stage. Perhaps ponder about this- but it is clear as a bell.
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Old 30.09.2018, 13:45
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Seems no-one is coming forward- so ...


as no-one has found a workable solution - perhaps then we can confirm the conclusion most experts have agreed on- there is none.
I always take expert opinion with a pinch of salt, they are usually wrong, as shown from the recent past:-

The UK would vote for ‘Remain’ in the Brexit referendum

The UK would enter a recession immediately if it voted to ‘Leave’ the EU

Donald Trump would not become President

Narendra Modi would not become Prime Minister of India

Narendra Modi’s economic reforms would fail

Theresa May would have such a resounding victory in the 2017 election that Labour would disintegrate

Angela Merkel would sweep to victory in the German elections

President Trump’s tax reform bill would not be passed by the US legislature
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And now, your viable solution for the Irish/NI border- please. Merci.
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Ah well yes. But int he meantime, a solution for the Irish border from one of our EF Brexiters would be welcome, from anyone in fact.

Did you watch Andrew Marr giving Mrs May a good grilling this morning. No Deal = WTO rules = approx 8% down for GDP, much bigger than any financial crisis since WW2 I believe- AND a hard border between NI and Ireland =Good Friday agreement down, with all the possible and dire consequences).
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Old 30.09.2018, 20:14
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And now, your viable solution for the Irish/NI border- please. Merci.
I got nuthin' so I'll add to the question. I've seen suggestions of not having a hard border at the border, but some way down the road. This helps...how?
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hi,

I try to remain and optimist and the national interest will be put ahead of right wing politics and that Brexit will not occur. At the moment the best solution would be to remain or at least stay an EEA country. If a second vote is the way to kill Brexit I am all in favour it. Since the referendum I am embarrassed to say I am British and feel even more European.

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But of course, we all know now that this is what it is all about - and very little else:

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top...f-eu-1-5669763
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Old 30.09.2018, 22:46
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At the moment the best solution would be to remain or at least stay an EEA country.
To avail of the EEA agreement the UK would have to be a member of the EU or EFTA. Given all that has been going on do you really think the EFTA countries would want to admit a dominant, non committed country that will spend its time demand excepts, opt outs and arguing with the EU?

Today EFTA works very well for us, it has about 28 trade agreements with 39 countries that Switzerland takes advantage of. Do you really thing it is worth putting that at risk in exchange for putting up with the crap that the EU has put up with, especially when the crap would come from the most dominant member. Give them a trade deal but is all, is how I would vote in any upcoming referendum on the topic.
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