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View Poll Results: What would you personally prefer to happen?
I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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Old 03.10.2018, 17:52
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Other outlets now running it...


https://www.newstatesman.com/politic...?qt-trending=0


However the only reported quote I could find was this:


Migration plan "delivers on the vote of the referendum"
Under the government's new plans, applicants will need to meet a minimum salary threshold to ensure they are not competing for jobs that could otherwise be recruited in the UK.
The PM says: "We’ve taken advice from some experts in this area and will obviously announce the figure in due course. But the important thing is it will be set to ensure that we’re bringing people in whose skills we need in this country."
Asked what the salary level will be, whether £20,000 or £50,000 per year, May says: "We will set the figure in due course."
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I agree re the threshold, 50k would be mental so doesn't make a lot of sense.
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As I understand it, the threshold for "unskilled" labour is 30k, hence my request for clarification.

So, no. Still not "klar".
Unskilled labour less than 30k? Someone should tell the gov't about all the "unskilled" nurses, doctors, teachers, police, fire personnel, paramedics, dentists etc that they've got in the ranks. Jeebers... I wonder what you have to do to be classed as skilled?


Argh... my eyes... just watched the Dancing May clip.... why? Why?????

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So a British University leaver with expensive degrees would have to compete with immigrants for the few plum jobs? I think they need to think this through.
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I agree re the threshold, 50k would be mental so doesn't make a lot of sense.
Mental... check.

Doesn't make a lot of sense... check.

This concept is Brexit-approved. Carry on!
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Perhaps is the assumption of some higher inflation to get rid of debt.

It's not as if you can live in Central London & have much left over with less than £50k a year before tax & national insurance, so about £35k take home pay for a single person.

The reason for 50k is families earning less would likely get tax credits so in effect be subsidised. At present a family of 4 with both parents working 16 hours on min wage only are slightly worse off than a family earning £75,000.

OTOH head teachers at academies earn well over £100,000 if they are any good & hit exam result targets.
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Merely seeking clarification.
I was referencing the quote that when told her subjects had no bread, Marie-Antoinette supposedly said “Let them eat cake.”

I was trying to imply that May is equally out of touch about what the common person earns.

I will go and get my coat now.
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So a British University leaver with expensive degrees would have to compete with immigrants for the few plum jobs? I think they need to think this through.
I think very few uni leavers would walk into any £50k a year job to be honest. Outside London it would be completely unheard of.
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I do wonder how many Head Teachers of large Academies are from the EU ?

And as for debt- they are not talking about Tax Credit here:

https://www.theguardian.com/business...crash-says-imf
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I do wonder how many Head Teachers of large Academies are from the EU ?
Devon Hanson is from Jamaica, he was the first Headmaster of Walworth Academy founded in 2007. Now Headteacher at Evelyn Grace Academy. I van assure you he does not speak in the Queen's English, rather Jamacian patois.
https://www.theguardian.com/teacher-...nd-headteacher

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The reason for 50k is families earning less would likely get tax credits so in effect be subsidised. At present a family of 4 with both parents working 16 hours on min wage only are slightly worse off than a family earning £75,000.

OTOH head teachers at academies earn well over £100,000 if they are any good & hit exam result targets.
How on earth do you get that? There is a massive difference. Working tax credit is a little under 5k assuming over 25, working at least 30 hours per week and are either applying as a couple or a lone parent.

There's easily a 30k take home difference between those two scenarios and I'm likely rounding down. Unless my understanding of the UK system is completely out of whack.

As for Academy heads... if they're Super Heads of chains, may be, but that is certainly not the majority. But again, skilled, highly responsible, very long hours and didn't just walk into the role. It's not all about exam results either. Where on earth are you getting your info?
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How on earth do you get that? There is a massive difference. Working tax credit is a little under 5k assuming over 25, working at least 30 hours per week and are either applying as a couple or a lone parent.

There's easily a 30k take home difference between those two scenarios and I'm likely rounding down. Unless my understanding of the UK system is completely out of whack.

As for Academy heads... if they're Super Heads of chains, may be, but that is certainly not the majority. But again, skilled, highly responsible, very long hours and didn't just walk into the role. It's not all about exam results either. Where on earth are you getting your info?
Take a look at this, they say £70k v min wage.https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/0...m-wage-family/

Your wrong with the salary of Heads at schools of ARK academy, granted there is some bonus so £150,000 is possible but they are all high earners. I had planned to leave my entire net worth to ARK academy before I got married. They have legacy programmes for deprived children in much of the 3rd world. I have had $10,000 paid to them for a bet I won on another forum, the charity thanked me so I know they were paid. Now they are concentrating on the UK it's less attractive than it was. http://arkonline.org/legacy-programmes
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The 50k figure is all over Facebook.

What is it they say about truth getting its boots on?
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Take a look at this, they say £70k v min wage.https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/0...m-wage-family/

Your wrong with the salary of Heads at schools of ARK academy, granted there is some bonus so £150,000 is possible but they are all high earners. I had planned to leave my entire net worth to ARK academy before I got married. They have legacy programmes for deprived children in much of the 3rd world. I have had $10,000 paid to them for a bet I won on another forum, the charity thanked me so I know they were paid. Now they are concentrating on the UK it's less attractive than it was. http://arkonline.org/legacy-programmes
That's one chain - and hugely corporate, looking at it. They've no doubt found a way to educate for profit. Are all teachers on a transparent national pay scale do you know, or is it one of those that doesn't permit salary discussions between colleagues and discourages union involvement while making some quite horrid rules. And I'm betting they're mostly inner city. Look at other academies and you'll find I'm not wrong at all.

And that spectator article is likely a fair amount of guff... and behind a subscriber wall. Tax credits, child benefit etc is simply not enough to make up the difference. Looks like propaganda to me.
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That's one chain - and hugely corporate, looking at it. They've no doubt found a way to educate for profit. Are all teachers on a transparent national pay scale do you know, or is it one of those that doesn't permit salary discussions between colleagues and discourages union involvement while making some quite horrid rules. And I'm betting they're mostly inner city. Look at other academies and you'll find I'm not wrong at all.

And that spectator article is likely a fair amount of guff... and behind a subscriber wall. Tax credits, child benefit etc is simply not enough to make up the difference. Looks like propaganda to me.
Absolutely no profit, all running costs of the charity paid for by the Patrons, most of whom are ex or current Bankers who feel guilty about how much money they made & want to put some back into society.

The deductions from 70k are about are about £24k not far from
The credits the other family gets. Less than 10k between them at the end of the day
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Ireland will almost certainly be hit the most, but as you say the 3% is an irrelevance to the EU. Ireland has about 1% of the EU population living there so even less irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. If only they could take control
Ireland can use the unbudgeted 13 billion it got from Apple (courtesy of the EU) to support its exporters while they are finding new markets to replace the current business with the UK.
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The Tory party conference ends with a patriotic battle cry for Brexit, England and St George from
the British Attorney General, Geoffrey Cox.
No doubt those who dream of King Arthur being resurrected in time for Brexit day, will be lapping
up such speeches but there again who needs King Arthur when we already have living legends
from the past like Jacob Rees-Mogg ?



Still only 6 months to go before final Brexit.

Geoffrey Cox enjoying a Brian Blessed moment in Birmingham

The real Brian Blessed, Battle cry for England
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177 days and 13 hours ...
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and counting. Not long now before the Final Countdown.
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Awkward.

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