The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[Pachyderm]

	Quote:	curley
	I find it totally hypocritical. It's this "I want the cake and eat it too" attitude and indicates, that a direct democracy like here would most likely not be a healthy thing for GB.

I haven’t applied for one but I’m eligible for an Irish passport so I’ll probably pick one up. I also voted Leave in the referendum and would do so again, with redoubled enthusiasm. There's nothing hypocritical about collecting another passport. Firstly, I’m entitled to it and there might just be some advantage to be had e.g. using a slightly shorter queue to leave an airport. But by far the best reason is that my Remain friends will go utterly ballistic with indignation.

I’ll have to pick my moment — perhaps in the middle of another heated discussion on the pros and cons of EU membership. "I don’t care any more if Brits won’t get preferential treatment applying for jobs in the EU," I’ll say. They’ll ask why not. I’ll reach into my inside pocket, pull out my Irish passport and give it a triumphant little twirl. Their faces!

	Quote:	Pachyderm
	The idea of a move was nothing to do with Brexit, as Unilever keep emphasising.

True. It's actually a big thing in the Netherlands right now as there was legislation introduced to stop taxes on divident especially to lure Unilever to the Netherlands. The Dutch prime minister has made quite a fool of himself.

	Quote:	Urs Max
	Fair enough and confirmed by the horse itself. But why dig up some 6-month old post when you could just as well have quoted the article where this is explicitly addressed instead? I mean, digging the post up must have been quite tedious, so why make the effort in the first place? Side question: The CEO is identified and male, does that leave "the horse itself" the correct wording or should it be "the horse himself" instead?

I'm sure someone with better grammar than I will be able to help you out there. Finding that post took all of 5 seconds, people complain about the search system on here, but it's very good if you know how to use it.

And it is important to point out these things, no matter how much time has elapsed between.

Now I wonder what the reaction would be if Trump said the same thing?

Juncker criticises British media and urges limits to press freedom

Yes, GROAN, big time - voting to limit the freedom of others, and have a massive effect on their chances, their choices, and so much more- and then triumphantly say 'ahahahahaha- it does not affect me, so tralalalala'

Whether you are legally entitled to one is totally irrelevant here - despicable.

The Press should indeed have the freedom to inform and to tell the truth, to show both sides of an argument-

it should not have the freedom to stir racial hatred- again and again- as has been evident in the front (nad inside pages) of some of the UK tabloids. Stirring racial hatred is illegal, and should be even more so for the Press.

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Now I wonder what the reaction would be if Trump said the same thing? Juncker criticises British media and urges limits to press freedom

Have you been living in a cave? Isn't that pretty much every other tweet from Trump?

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	Yes, GROAN, big time - voting to limit the freedom of others, and have a massive effect on their chances, their choices, and so much more- and then triumphantly say 'ahahahahaha- it does not affect me, so tralalalala' Whether you are legally entitled to one is totally irrelevant here - despicable.

Despicable is condemning people for exercising their legal and hard-won rights.

[Urs Max]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Finding that post took all of 5 seconds, people complain about the search system on here, but it's very good if you know how to use it.

I usually prefer google. But yes, this site-search was a quick one with "Unilever".

	Quote:	Loz1983
	And it is important to point out these things, no matter how much time has elapsed between.

That's where I disagree. That addition to her quoted list was an expression of opinion. Nobody gets things right all the time; if I had to guess I'd say you're part of the in-the-wrong group more often than most others, which makes your post a bit "holier than thou".

[Medea Fleecestealer]

	Quote:	John William
	Oh I see it moved house to Permits/visas/government - although you would have thought you could have left a 'forwarding address' in Daily Life.

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	You never accidentally put a cup in the plate cupboard?

No idea what it's doing in that section of the forum to start with? Why move it?

[bowlie]

Somebody posted a question about Permits held by Brits after Brexit. That thread soon evolved to be a YABD (yet another brexit discussion). The treads got merged. Why here? I don’t know but there is likely a very good reason.

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	Despicable is condemning people for exercising their legal and hard-won rights.

How hard is it to have an ancestor born in Ireland, anymore than it would be to have one born in Timbuctu or Swaziland?

Voting in such a way knowing that it would have a massive effect on peeple's lives, knowing it would not affect yours as you had a way of totally avoiding said effects, just cannot be fair .

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	How hard is it to have an ancestor born in Ireland, anymore than it would be to have one born in Timbuctu or Swaziland? Voting in such a way knowing that it would have a massive effect on peeple's lives, knowing it would not affect yours as you had a way of totally avoiding said effects, just cannot be fair .

It has nothing to do with "fair". It is about basic human rights. British citizens have a right to vote. Certain people with Irish ancestry have a right to apply for an Irish passport. Neither right has any effect on the other, and nor should it.

What next? People who vote for a Conservative candidate should be barred from claiming benefits? People who vote for a Labour candidate should be prevented from benefitting from tax cuts?

If you take about 10 seconds to think about it - you'll realise there is NO comparison at all.

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	If you take about 10 seconds to think about it - you'll realise there is NO comparison at all.

There is a very clear comparison.

Anyway, since you seem determined to make this personal, I've got three questions for you:

1) How many citizenships do you hold?

2) If the answer to 1) is more than one, are all the nations of which you are a citizen members of the European Union?

3) Did you vote in the referendum on the United Kingdom leaving the European Union?

Take as long as you need.

[bowlie]

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	British citizens have a right to vote.

Actually for Brexit it was British residents with Irish, Australian, Belize, Canadian etc nationality. British citizens not resident for 15 years (lots of EFers) were denied the vote. EU nationals (except Cypriotes, Maltese and Irish) résident in the UK were also denied the vote regardless of their tenure.

What is fair about that?

[SOBEIT]

Champagne is looking good come March. Macron care to share a glass?

[Jim2007]

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	How hard is it to have an ancestor born in Ireland, anymore than it would be to have one born in Timbuctu or Swaziland? Voting in such a way knowing that it would have a massive effect on peeple's lives, knowing it would not affect yours as you had a way of totally avoiding said effects, just cannot be fair .

I can’t resist....

Pretty much everyone born in NI is entitled to an Irish passport. The post offices in NI even carry the application forms. And the Irish government will accept the signature of an PM as the witness, just as if they were a member of the Irish parliament. At this stage almost all DUP PMs have admitted to signing such applications and some have even advised unionist voters to apply for passports just in case...

On top of this they have a guarantee from the EU that on a reunion of Ireland they would be automatically admitted to the EU. So they very crowd propping up the Conservatives and making all the demands, have an out option in the back pocket should it all go pear shaped.

	Quote:	bowlie
	Actually for Brexit it was British residents with Irish, Australian, Belize, Canadian etc nationality. British citizens not resident for 15 years (lots of EFers) were denied the vote. EU nationals (except Cypriotes, Maltese and Irish) résident in the UK were also denied the vote regardless of their tenure. What is fair about that?

Again, this has nothing to do with what is "fair", and everything to do with rights.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	bowlie
	Actually for Brexit it was British residents with Irish, Australian, Belize, Canadian etc nationality. British citizens not resident for 15 years (lots of EFers) were denied the vote. EU nationals (except Cypriotes, Maltese and Irish) résident in the UK were also denied the vote regardless of their tenure. What is fair about that?

I know 3 people living in Switzerland who were not eligible to vote in the EU Referendum, but who still received voting papers and voted leave. Personally, I received 2 sets of voting papers, but immediately informed one of the voting offices of their error, and only voted once.

The exact criteria for eligibility were...

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	British, Irish and Commonwealth citizens aged 18 or over who are resident in the UK or Gibraltar will be eligible to vote. UK citizens resident overseas will also be eligible to vote, provided they have been registered to vote at a UK address in the last 15 years.

https://www.gov.uk/government/topica...ferendum/about