The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[chrissie7]

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	She was talking about Sky, not you

Apologies - completely misunderstood Blueangel's post.

[Belgianmum]

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	Apologies - completely misunderstood Blueangel's post.

You weren’t the only one, I understood it the same way as you did.

[Sky]

The reason for my original comment about considering a mid-terrace of 128K as expensive is because, in my opinion there is a difference between the estimated value of property and its actual sell price.
Perhaps this is recent, or specific to an area, I don't know.

Basically with the new auction method of selling property and with potential buyers who attempt to reserve a property on sale while struggling to find funds for the purchase, a home can remain on the market for quite a while before it sells.
And..... it doesn't always sell at its estimated value.

How will Brexit impact this ?

[Blueangel]

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	Basically with the new auction method of selling property and with potential buyers who attempt to reserve a property on sale while struggling to find funds for the purchase, a home can remain on the market for quite a while before it sells. And..... it doesn't always sell at its estimated value.

Where that property is, houses very rarely come onto the market, let alone go to auction. My semi is half a mile away, and I've been keeping a close eye on the local market for a friend who is hoping to buy. She's got 50k deposit in place and a mortgage up to 180k secured, but hasn't managed to secure the type of house she wants in 18mths. All depends on the area...

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	How will Brexit impact this ?

The comment was regarding lifestyle and how pensioners who've been frugal all their lives, could lose access to their 'place in the sun', for one reason or another.

[fatmanfilms]

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	The reason for my original comment about considering a mid-terrace of 128K as expensive is because, in my opinion there is a difference between the estimated value of property and its actual sell price. Perhaps this is recent, or specific to an area, I don't know. Basically with the new auction method of selling property and with potential buyers who attempt to reserve a property on sale while struggling to find funds for the purchase, a home can remain on the market for quite a while before it sells. And..... it doesn't always sell at its estimated value. How will Brexit impact this ?

The higher the price the less realistic the price mentioned. None of the £50 million penthouses ever sold at the Shard & I know a house in Highgate that started on the Market at £14 million 5 years ago & has not been sold after reducing to £10 million a year ago. The developer has since gone bankrupt as there purchase price plus refurbishment exceed market value.

Of course none of these properties have failed to sell due to BREXIT, change is stamp duty & rules has had a far bigger impact on Prime London & had failed to sell long before the vote.

[Blueangel]

Interesting read...

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	Long read: let’s ditch the stereotypes about Britons who live in the EU

http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2018/1...ive-in-the-eu/

Yes, and I suppose we break all the stereotypes re British retirees coming to live in Switzerland. We did not come for tax breaks, or a lavish lifestyle.

I just happen to have been born and bred here - and we both felt when we retired in the UK, that we wanted to spend more time with my very old parents in Switzerland- and take care of them. We were looking for a little place to rent- and then we fell in love with a magnificent old Vicarage with land very close to them - and it changed our lives. We truly share our life between CH and the UK - our children, grandchildren, and lots of family all over UK and so many friends too - and chose to keep a small property there to, in a small East Mids market town we love to visit.

We planned VERY carefully, but no-one could ever predict the massive exchange rate changes, nor the uncertainty of Brexit. I am NOT complaining - just sayin' - we have made absolutely sure we will be able to live frugally but comfortably. We are VERY lucky indeed. Parents now gone, dad at 97 and mum 94 - so we are free to make any changes we want in the future.

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	Interesting read... http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2018/1...ive-in-the-eu/

Interesting, but "these narratives reinforce, rather than debunk, ideas about migrancy that see it as deviant."

That's because migrancy is deviant. There is nothing normal or mainstream about living in another country. It's a minority thing, and - for Brits, at least - likely always will be.

Most people have the good sense to stay where they belong.

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	Interesting, but "these narratives reinforce, rather than debunk, ideas about migrancy that see it as deviant." That's because migrancy is deviant. There is nothing normal or mainstream about living in another country. It's a minority thing, and - for Brits, at least - likely always will be. Most people have the good sense to stay where they belong.

Nobody belongs in Cannock, that's against the Geneva Convention.

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	Interesting, but "these narratives reinforce, rather than debunk, ideas about migrancy that see it as deviant." That's because migrancy is deviant. There is nothing normal or mainstream about living in another country. It's a minority thing, and - for Brits, at least - likely always will be. Most people have the good sense to stay where they belong.

So according to that theory the whole human race should live in a small part of East Africa?

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	So according to that theory the whole human race should live in a small part of East Africa?

Have you heard of a thing called reproduction?

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	So according to that theory the whole human race should live in a small part of East Africa?

Apparently the entire human race would fit in Loch Ness (if you drain it first).

Top fact of the day.

[pilatus1]

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	Apparently the entire human race would fit in Loch Ness

10 x over!

http://lochnessmystery.blogspot.com/...ness-hold.html


Nessie will be well fed..

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	Have you heard of a thing called reproduction?

Yep. Causes a natural occurrence called migration.

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	Interesting, but "these narratives reinforce, rather than debunk, ideas about migrancy that see it as deviant." That's because migrancy is deviant. There is nothing normal or mainstream about living in another country. It's a minority thing, and - for Brits, at least - likely always will be. Most people have the good sense to stay where they belong.

Perhaps you would also like to comment on the preceeding sentence:

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	Indeed Britain has a long history of emigration, and even now the emigration rate of British citizens (at 6.5%) is exceeded globally only by Ireland, Mexico and Poland

BTW "emigration rate" is an annual figure.

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	Perhaps you would also like to comment on the preceeding sentence: BTW "emigration rate" is an annual figure.

Since when is 6.5% not a minority?

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	Since when is 6.5% not a minority?

Per year. Now accumulate that over a few years...

Also waiting on your justification for your "...It's a minority thing, and - for Brits, at least - likely always will be..." statement in the light of Brits being the 4th most likely to migrate globally.

Edit. another little stat for you. According to The Foreign and Commonwealth Office there were 13.1 million British nationals living abroad in 2004–05. Yes "a minority". But a pretty large one.

Second edit. Just found this one. British population 66 million. British diaspora 140 million. So a majority in the diaspora.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_people

[Urs Max]

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	Per year. Now accumulate that over a few years...

Better not believe everything you read on the 'nets. At that rate, and assuming zero rerturners, UK population would be more than halved in 20 years, down by 75% over the last 30-40 years as reportedly it's nothing new.

The obvious guess would be it's 0.65% instead, but admittedly that's just a guess.

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	Per year. Now accumulate that over a few years... Also waiting on your justification for your "...It's a minority thing, and - for Brits, at least - likely always will be..." statement in the light of Brits being the 4th most likely to migrate globally. Edit. another little stat for you. According to The Foreign and Commonwealth Office there were 13.1 million British nationals living abroad in 2004–05. Yes "a minority". But a pretty large one. Second edit. Just found this one. British population 66 million. British diaspora 140 million. So a majority in the diaspora. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_people

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here. Each year more than 90% of Brits don't move to another country. Emigration is not a normal, mainstream activity. It is practised by a very small minority of people who, in the grand scheme of British constitutional affairs, are pretty much irrelevant.

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	Better not believe everything you read on the 'nets. At that rate, and assuming zero rerturners, UK population would be more than halved in 20 years, down by 75% over the last 30-40 years as reportedly it's nothing new. The obvious guess would be it's 0.65% instead, but admittedly that's just a guess.

Nah. The 6.5% is correct but a gross number, not net, and there's also a fair number of returners plus immigration from other countries maintaining the population.

However despite what DB wants to believe, 13 million British nationals living otherwhere is a pretty large number and strong evidence that this is a mainstream activity.