The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

We all like to think we're important.

(We're not)

As a dad to young children, you are, for sure.

[SOBEIT]

See Michel Barnier was up to his usual tricks today.

[greenmount]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	But that's all by the by.... My point is that people who've grafted all their lives, and who are enjoying a modest retirement in the sun, along with the thousands of Brits who move abroad to drier climates for the sake of their health, are amongst the potential 'victims' of Brexit. Those are the people I think about, people like the fruit and veg man on the local market who rents out his villa in Spain via a poster on his stall, and has done for the last 20+yrs.

Modest retirement in the sun seems so...not modest! Why is it considered modest when it's nothing but? To be able to retire wherever you choose on this continent should be considered a privilege not something "modest". I think we're all out of our minds lately. I think EU has set the bar too high when it comes to certain people's expectations. People keep talking about pensioners being "frugal" - frugal with properties in two different expensive countries, and they have no ing idea what frugal means. I'm glad the dream is over and the Brexit is final tbh. That should make us return to reality check.

	Quote:	greenmount
	Modest retirement in the sun seems so...not modest! Why is it considered modest when it's nothing but? To be able to retire wherever you choose on this continent should be considered a privilege not something "modest". I think we're all out of our minds lately. I think EU has set the bar too high when it comes to certain people's expectations.

I'd disagree with it being a privilege, though. If you've put the work in and been prudent with the money all your life, why shouldn't you be able to retire wherever you want to be?

There may be some luck involved in that you've been able to keep your finances under control but I wouldn't class it as privilege as such. Up till now people had a "right" to move and live within the EU as long as conditions permitted. And it's all about "rights", right?

[magic]

An article in Swissinfo today about what a no deal means for UK citizens in Switzerland

[Reb77Br]

Nicola Sturgeon referring to Brexit at the SNP conference earlier this week: "Never has so much been lost by so many to satisfy so few"

	Quote:	magic
	An article in Swissinfo today about what a no deal means for UK citizens in Switzerland

Yes, this is very worrying. I wonder if those who made sarchastic comments about the lack of preparation long term UK residents have made in France and Spain - are really quite as prepared as they think they are ...

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	Yes, this is very worrying. I wonder if those who made sarchastic comments about the lack of preparation long term UK residents have made in France and Spain - are really quite as prepared as they think they are ...

If I recall correctly, the people who made such comments are unlikely to be affected much by it.

[McTAVGE]

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	Apparently the entire human race would fit in Loch Ness (if you drain it first). Top fact of the day.

No, thank you. Keep your rubbish!

Now just for you McTave. The lovely Lorien from Loch Ness Spirits won Gold medal at the Absinthiades in Pontarlier last week-end. First woman to do so, and a beginner too. Wow.

Pontarlier - 18e Absinthiades L’absinthe du Loch Ness existe vraiment
La 18e édition des Asbinthiades a livré un palmarès international, ce dimanche à Pontarlier. Pour sa première participation, l’Écossaise Lorien Cameron-Ross a décroché l’or, catégorie « Blanche ».

[chrissie7]

	Quote:	Reb77Br
	Nicola Sturgeon referring to Brexit at the SNP conference earlier this week: "Never has so much been lost by so many to satisfy so few"

That's bit rich coming from her.

[chrissie7]

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	Yes, this is very worrying. I wonder if those who made sarchastic comments about the lack of preparation long term UK residents have made in France and Spain - are really quite as prepared as they think they are ...

There was nothing sarcastic about my remark: any resident of France should have applied for their carte de séjour a long time ago.

The article in Swissinfo contains no new information and seems to be more about getting an Irish passport if one can.

[McTAVGE]

I know! Big René came in complete disbelief to yodel practice last night, could not get over the fact the Scots are taking over the Absinthe world! (I did remind him he had talked about distilling his own Whisky at some stage!)

ahahah and gin too But we digress ...

	Quote:	chrissie7
	That's bit rich coming from her.

Decent quip, but not really true, is it?

[Pachyderm]

	Quote:	Reb77Br
	Nicola Sturgeon referring to Brexit at the SNP conference earlier this week: "Never has so much been lost by so many to satisfy so few"

Which her speechwriter thought would make a lovely soundbite. Did no one point out to either of them that the >17 million people who voted for the UK to leave the EU can hardly be thought of as "so few" people?

And before someone points out that this figure is only 37% of the UK electorate, please note that only 34% voted to stay in the EU.

	Quote:	magic
	An article in Swissinfo today about what a no deal means for UK citizens in Switzerland

The article says nothing of value about "what a no deal means". It's the grimmest of grim hackery, written by someone who feels comfortable basing their conclusion that "UK citizens abroad are facing major uncertainty" on the 2:1 verdict of an online poll of... 50 people. Who these 50 people are, and even whether there is any evidence that they are all Brits living in Switzerland, and that not a single vote among the 50 came from the forefinger of the person who created that article, or his/her household, we do not know.

One thing that I personally do know for sure, as a member of the "UK citizens abroad" cohort, is that I do not feel even the mildest gust of apprehension, never mind the "major uncertainty" that we are all being urged to adopt.

Be realistic. There is minimal possibility of our lovely Swiss hosts deciding that citizens of their non-EU partners, the UK, those immigrants particularly welcome here for their native English language skills, should be pushed out. And frankly, even if the Swiss decided that their beautiful nation should be ethnically cleansed of British people, I would shake the collective CH hand, thank them for this wonderful decade, wish them well, and get on with the rest of my life. My affection for Switzerland and the Swiss would never drain away. Once experienced, the beauty of this country can never be un-experienced.

[Sky]

Agreed that the Swissinfo article didn't say much more than what we already know from other press releases, nevertheless there was a very useful link within the article:
https://britishineurope.org/the-brit...eal-checklist/

https://www.facebook.com/FullEnglish...9957283964805/

medicines in and out of UK

[marton]

Further kicking the can down the road

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	Secret plans to allow an extension of the transition period in the Brexit withdrawal agreement could result in the UK living under all EU rules well beyond the 21 months so far negotiated

Source

Unbelievable how very little progress has been made.