The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	The UK will probably still pay for health cover, the cost won't change in any way. No reason to pull out of the reciprocal payment system which is all it really is.

But you have already pulled out, that is what executing A50 means, each and every agreement you had as an EU member comes to an end, there are no exceptions. It is now a question of negotiation to get back in and at what cost. The Spanish for one might want an increase.

[John William]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	But you have already pulled out, that is what executing A50 means, each and every agreement you had as an EU member comes to an end, there are no exceptions. It is now a question of negotiation to get back in and at what cost. The Spanish for one might want an increase.

Of course the EU agreements end but the bilateral agreements that existed ( and perhaps
even predate EU membership ? ) between two countries will continue and no doubt be enhanced
by the UK, who will most likely use the bilateral agreement route between countries to continue
those things that are in the mutual interest of the two countries concerned.

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	John William
	Of course the EU agreements end but the bilateral agreements that existed ( and perhaps even predate EU membership ? ) between two countries will continue and no doubt be enhanced by the UK, who will most likely use the bilateral agreement route between countries to continue those things that are in the mutual interest of the two countries concerned.

Go read the treaties, all bilateral agreements between member states were either recognized and accepted as a protocol to the treaties or super ceded by the treaties as for example the CTA. That is why Ireland is not in a position as yet to be able to confirm its commitment to the CTA going forward.

Furthermore it is not possible for a member state to negotiate such a bilateral treaty going forward. Such an agreement will have to be with the EU and approved by the 37 regional and national parliaments plus the EU parliament.

[Urs Max]

	Quote:	John William
	Of course the EU agreements end but the bilateral agreements that existed ( and perhaps even predate EU membership ? ) between two countries will continue and no doubt be enhanced by the UK, who will most likely use the bilateral agreement route between countries to continue those things that are in the mutual interest of the two countries concerned.

That's simply false.

While the UK is indeed free again to negotiate after Brexit, the EU countries have ceded authority to the EU in those areas, they can no longer conclude bilateral treaties. In fact they can't even negotiate on those topics, much like the UK can't negotiate now (and until after Brexit) with 3rd countries.

The UK's only negotiation counterpart in the EU is the EU itself.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	But you have already pulled out, that is what executing A50 means, each and every agreement you had as an EU member comes to an end, there are no exceptions. It is now a question of negotiation to get back in and at what cost. The Spanish for one might want an increase.

Personally I would rather have a hard Brexit, as you say the loss of trade to the EU is tiny so irrelevant to the remaining prosperous countries.

I wonder if the Ireland will share your view a year after a hard BREXIT, probably not but will the rest of the EU care?

[marton]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Personally I would rather have a hard Brexit, as you say the loss of trade to the EU is tiny so irrelevant to the remaining prosperous countries. I wonder if the Ireland will share your view a year after a hard BREXIT, probably not but will the rest of the EU care?

A no-deal Brexit need not be a disaster for Irish exports
If WTO rules come to be applied, the impact on the economy will be mixed

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	marton
	A no-deal Brexit need not be a disaster for Irish exports If WTO rules come to be applied, the impact on the economy will be mixed

Then there is nothing to worry about, hard BREXIT please.

[John William]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	Go read the treaties, all bilateral agreements between member states were either recognized and accepted as a protocol to the treaties or super ceded by the treaties as for example the CTA. That is why Ireland is not in a position as yet to be able to confirm its commitment to the CTA going forward. Furthermore it is not possible for a member state to negotiate such a bilateral treaty going forward. Such an agreement will have to be with the EU and approved by the 37 regional and national parliaments plus the EU parliament.

Precisely - but there again what about the Spanish Foreign Minister who( when interviewed by
Andrew Marr ) said British Expats in Spain had nothing to worry about, even if there's a no deal ??

[John William]

	Quote:	marton
	A no-deal Brexit need not be a disaster for Irish exports If WTO rules come to be applied, the impact on the economy will be mixed

Yes just a return to barriers and customs checks at the NI & Irish Republic border of course.

[Odile]

Tonight, we are finding ourselves truly at the edge of the precipice- and anything can happen.

You may like JOB or hate him - but never has modern Britain faced such an incredible, destructive and utterly messy situation:

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...64824773823879

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Then there is nothing to worry about, hard BREXIT please.

When are you going to put your money where your gob is and move back to the UK full time and for good?

[StirB]

	Quote:	John William
	Yes just a return to barriers and customs checks at the NI & Irish Republic border of course.

I think the section for contravening the Good Friday Agreement was about 5 pages ago.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	When are you going to put your money where your gob is and move back to the UK full time and for good?

When the sun shines 300 days a year. Lived in the UK for just 1/3 of my adult life why would I ever return? As it happens the majority of my money is in the UK, rather than less than 10% before the vote.

[Odile]

So, the Conservative Party is running around like headless chickens to see who is the last one to get stabbed in the back- and oh, they are planning to make ... David Davies PM. Oh my that will be just great- not as if he is not already the laughing stock for his total inadequacy during the negotiations.

The Tories are imploding and taking the whole country with them. Hope that this is what you Leavers voted for. Hold on to your knicker elastic, it is going to be some bumpy scray ride in the next few days - and years

Please sign the gov.uk petition requesting that in case of No Deal- Brexit will be cancelled. And go to London on Saturday to join the march.


Been predicting for quite some time that the DUP and the Irish Border, would be the final straw that broke that sick camel's back

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	Odile
	So, the Conservative Party is running around like headless chickens to see who is the last one to get stabbed in the back- and oh, they are planning to make ... David Davies PM. Oh my that will be just great- not as if he is not already the laughing stock for his total inadequacy during the negotiations. The Tories are imploding and taking the whole country with them. Hope that this is what you Leavers voted for. Hold on to your knicker elastic, it is going to be some bumpy scray ride in the next few days - and years Please sign the gov.uk petition requesting that in case of No Deal- Brexit will be cancelled. And go to London on Saturday to join the march. Been predicting for quite some time that the DUP and the Irish Border, would be the final straw that broke that sick camel's back

Jacob Rees-Mog would be the only serious

No Deal Brexit is exactly what was voted for.

[Odile]

As said before:

'When are you going to put your money where your gob is and move back to the UK full time and for good?'

For me, it is all good news - my whole family working in the financial sector will soon be much nearer - as they prepare for the BIG exodus.

[Sandgrounder]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	No Deal Brexit is exactly what was voted for.

Nope - "No Deal Brexit" was what some people interpreted the referendum as.

	Quote:
	"Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union".

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	Odile
	As said before: 'When are you going to put your money where your gob is and move back to the UK full time and for good?' For me, it is all good news - my whole family working in the financial sector will soon be much nearer - as they prepare for the BIG exodus.

If the UK abolished CGT on shares held for a minimum of 1 year, I might consider it.

I had not realised your entire family worked in the financial sector, or does getting social benefits count?

[Odile]

LOL oh my- you have NO idea. We are certainly the 'poor' relatives in our family- for sure.

[amogles]

	Quote:	Urs Max
	That's simply false. While the UK is indeed free again to negotiate after Brexit, the EU countries have ceded authority to the EU in those areas, they can no longer conclude bilateral treaties. In fact they can't even negotiate on those topics, much like the UK can't negotiate now (and until after Brexit) with 3rd countries. The UK's only negotiation counterpart in the EU is the EU itself.

I think it's more complicated than that.

Individual EU countries are signing agreements all the time with all sorts of non EU countries.

It may be that there are certain areas of comepetency where they can't. But it's not a blanket ban. Or if it is, nobody seems to be taking notice.