The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[Blueangel]

Do we have any bets on how many cabinet ministers will resign before midnight on Thursday? I'm going for 3

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	Do we have any bets on how many cabinet ministers will resign before midnight on Thursday? I'm going for 3

It'll probably be overshadowed by Boris doing something spectacularly headline grabbing in light of the news his popularity is plummeting among his core supporters.

My money is on a guest spot on this week's Strictly...

[BaselLife]

Hi,

any ministers who resign will not be missed as they will just be Brexit vandals like Fox and Raab. There should be a purge of the pro Brexiteers in the cabinet.

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	Hi, any ministers who resign will not be missed as they will just be Brexit vandals like Fox and Raab. There should be a purge of the pro Brexiteers in the cabinet.

So you think it's a bad thing that there are members of government that have differing views on major policy? That's dangerous road to go down, don't you think?

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	So you think it's a bad thing that there are members of government that have differing views on major policy? That's dangerous road to go down, don't you think?

It's probably fine to have differing views, but not fine to sabotage the country by pulling in your own direction to try and force your will on the country.

[John William]

Well with a hard Brexit more or less on the cards ( as TM heads to her meeting in Brussels ),
thanks to entrenched positions on both sides over the Irish border. It looks like a hard
Brexit's going to deliver what both sides wanted to avoid, a hard border between the
Irish Republic and Northern Ireland.

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	It's probably fine to have differing views, but not fine to sabotage the country by pulling in your own direction to try and force your will on the country.

Yep. Thinking about it, that probably sums it up nicely. Differing views are important in government to temper the extremes, but some of those clowns are in it for their own glory.

Trade talks to begin with the US the day after Brexit.

"Back of the queue"

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Trade talks to begin with the US the day after Brexit. "Back of the queue"

Haven't you heard BREXIT has been postponed indefinitely? Meanwhile trade talks between the US, Japan and the EU are on going...

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	Trade talks to begin with the US the day after Brexit. "Back of the queue"

Mmmm, the sooner we can get that chlorinated chicken and hormonal beef the better, I say!

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Trade talks to begin with the US the day after Brexit. "Back of the queue"

It's somehow senseless that the UK is going to all the trouble to extricate itself from the EU and all its apparent controlling and inflexibility, not to mention the expense, but then is only to happy to jump into bed with another huge economy run by a narcissistic, unpredictable and volatile man-baby who will, without a doubt, have volumes of conditions and tariffs most likely heavily weighted in favour of the US.

Pass the popcorn.

[aSwissInTheUS]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	Haven't you heard BREXIT has been postponed indefinitely? Meanwhile trade talks between the US, Japan and the EU are on going...

According published draft agreement and as well if no agreement is made, march next year the UK will no longer be a member and will have no say in EU politics. No representation in the European Parliament and the Council, no participation in the decision making and committees. And as we know the committees is the real deal of the EU. For the proposed transition period, there are already rumors that it should be extended, where further talks for a permanent solution will be held it will have a status similar as Switzerland has now. In some way better in someway worse, as the UK can perform trade talks with other countries but not enact on them.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-32810887
https://assets.publishing.service.go..._AGREEMENT.pdf
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8587511.html

[aSwissInTheUS]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Trade talks to begin with the US the day after Brexit. "Back of the queue"

Back to the queue, as on January 14 2019 trade talks between the EU and USA as well as Japan and USA may commence.



PS: A link to the source would be nice.
https://ustr.gov/about-us/policy-off...tion-announces

[marton]

Enjoy

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	The French government has said a no-deal Brexit would leave Britons needing visas to visit France and put UK nationals already living there in an “irregular” legal situation. It has published a draft bill aimed at addressing the consequences of the UK crashing out of the EU without any agreement. British citizens living in France would immediately become “third-country nationals”, preventing them from holding certain jobs and limiting access to healthcare and welfare, and passenger travel and freight movements across the Channel would be delayed.

Source

Might just be a negotiating position

Edit: Last week Thierry Grumiaux, of the National Federation of Road Transporters, said a delay of two minutes per vehicle for extra customs checks would led to 16-mile (27km) tailbacks on roads around major French ports.
Local officials say up to €30m (£26m) investment would be needed to make French ports ready for a hard Brexit.

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	marton
	Source Might just be a negotiating position .

It is simply the logical outcome of applying A50. If you are not a citizen of a member state of the EU/EEA/CH and your not a citizen of country that has visa free travel in the Schengen area and your not a permanent resident of a Schengen state, you need a visa.

There seems to be a lot of this kind of stuff out there. A friend of mine in Ireland is a building contractor who does a lot of public works, his contracts require him to use components sourced in the EU/EEA/CH, so what is he supposed with UK components in stock if there is no deal - toss them or what?

[John William]

France's No deal Brexit plans published today - in a nutshell

New french - No Brexit plans crack down on Brits. The French government says Britons
wanting to visit France for more than three months, would need a visa under a
no-deal Brexit, and those already living here could be treated asbeing in France illegally,
unless they have the necessary residence permits.

It also said checks would need to be established on goods and people going to and
from the UK, as well as veterinary checks on animals and animal products.

Suffice to say here's another fine mess Boris, Moggers and the Hard Brexit's, have
got us into.

BBC News - Theresa May, Brexit deal possible with intensive work

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	John William
	France's No deal Brexit plans published today - in a nutshell New french - No Brexit plans crack down on Brits. The French government says Britons wanting to visit France for more than three months, would need a visa under a no-deal Brexit, and those already living here could be treated asbeing in France illegally, unless they have the necessary residence permits. It also said checks would need to be established on goods and people going to and from the UK, as well as veterinary checks on animals and animal products. Suffice to say here's another fine mess Boris, Moggers and the Hard Brexit's, have got us into. BBC News - Theresa May, Brexit deal possible with intensive work

I think the biggest danger is that they go crashing out at the end of March and then sometime in April realize a transition is needed. At that point there is no longer a legal basis for it as that provided for in the treaties is over. We are rapidly approaching the point where someone in the UK needs to at least press the pause button at the very least.

[Medea Fleecestealer]

	Quote:	John William
	France's No deal Brexit plans published today - in a nutshell New french - No Brexit plans crack down on Brits. The French government says Britons wanting to visit France for more than three months, would need a visa under a no-deal Brexit, and those already living here could be treated asbeing in France illegally, unless they have the necessary residence permits. It also said checks would need to be established on goods and people going to and from the UK, as well as veterinary checks on animals and animal products. Suffice to say here's another fine mess Boris, Moggers and the Hard Brexit's, have got us into. BBC News - Theresa May, Brexit deal possible with intensive work

Nothing new in any of that as far as I can see. Atm they can be in any Schengen country for up to 3 months as can any other EU national. And any non-French citizen should already have the appropriate permit to live/work there. And checks on animals, products, etc, was always going to be the case when we leave. Sorry, old news - very old news.

[aSwissInTheUS]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	his contracts require him to use components sourced in the EU/EEA/CH, so what is he supposed with UK components in stock if there is no deal - toss them or what?

I would say he sourced them from EU/EEA/CH. But maybe that is to naive and simple.

	Quote:	Medea Fleecestealer
	And any non-French citizen should already have the appropriate permit to live/work there.

Problem is that France has no resident register, and there is no obligation for EU/CH people to register with the commune (save some communes in the Appellation Alsace-Moselle) nor do get a residence permit (carte de séjour).

But you can register and get a permit which, as already discussed in this thread, is highly recommended for any UK citizen living in France.

In most other European countries and Switzerland this should be less an issue as there is an obligation to register with the commune or some other authority. And hopefully that has already been done.

[John William]

And as we all know, Eurosceptic ex Chancellor of the Exchequer, Nigel Lawson now known as Lord Lawson of Blaby, managed to secure his French residents permit earlier this year, despite holding down a UK job in the House of Lords.