The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[marton]

	Quote:	aSwissInTheUS
	I would say he sourced them from EU/EEA/CH. But maybe that is to naive and simple. Problem is that France has no resident register, and there is no obligation for EU/CH people to register with the commune (save some communes in the Appellation Alsace-Moselle) nor do get a residence permit (carte de séjour). But you can register and get a permit which, as already discussed in this thread, is highly recommended for any UK citizen living in France. In most other European countries and Switzerland this should be less an issue as there is an obligation to register with the commune or some other authority. And hopefully that has already been done.

Ireland is not in Schengen so if the Common Travel Area falls apart under no deal Brexit then presumably UK residents would need a visa to travel to Ireland? as do Swiss permit B holders today.

Edit: I meant third state nationals in possession of a Swiss permit B, C, L and Ci

[Medea Fleecestealer]

	Quote:	aSwissInTheUS
	I would say he sourced them from EU/EEA/CH. But maybe that is to naive and simple. Problem is that France has no resident register, and there is no obligation for EU/CH people to register with the commune (save some communes in the Appellation Alsace-Moselle) nor do get a residence permit (carte de séjour). But you can register and get a permit which, as already discussed in this thread, is highly recommended for any UK citizen living in France. In most other European countries and Switzerland this should be less an issue as there is an obligation to register with the commune or some other authority. And hopefully that has already been done.

Isn't there?

"To enter French territory, foreign nationals must be in possession of a valid national identity card or passport.

No other documents are required.

EU nationals wishing to live in France must register at the town hall in the municipality where they are staying within 3 months of arriving in France."

https://www.welcometofrance.com/en/e...wiss-nationals

"Helpful tip: Citizens of a European Union or European Economic Area Member State or of Switzerland are free to enter and stay in France without requiring a residence permit. All they need do is register at the town hall in their place of residence."

https://www.welcometofrance.com/en/w...live-in-france

[aSwissInTheUS]

	Quote:	Medea Fleecestealer
	Isn't there?

There isn't.
https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizen...e/index_en.htm
https://www.service-public.fr/partic...osdroits/F2651

[John William]

	Quote:	Medea Fleecestealer
	Isn't there? "To enter French territory, foreign nationals must be in possession of a valid national identity card or passport. No other documents are required. EU nationals wishing to live in France must register at the town hall in the municipality where they are staying within 3 months of arriving in France." https://www.welcometofrance.com/en/e...wiss-nationals "Helpful tip: Citizens of a European Union or European Economic Area Member State or of Switzerland are free to enter and stay in France without requiring a residence permit. All they need do is register at the town hall in their place of residence." https://www.welcometofrance.com/en/w...live-in-france

Also in the event of a Hard Brexit, British drivers with British driving licenses entering France, need to
also apply for an International Driving Permit ( which adheres to the 1968 Vienna convention ) and if
he or she intends to cross the Pyrenees into Spain; they must be sure to have another International
Driving Permit ( lets call them IDP's ) that adhere to the 1949 Geneva Convention.

Finally if our British drivers ever fancied popping over to Liechtenstein before returning to the UK,
then be sure to have yet another IDP, that adhere's to the 1929 Convention.

I've yet to find out what IDP the Duchy of Grand Fenwick use's but no doubt it entails having a
man running in front of the car with a red flag.

[Medea Fleecestealer]

	Quote:	John William
	Also in the event of a Hard Brexit, British drivers with British driving licenses entering France, need to also apply for an International Driving Permit ( which adheres to the 1968 Vienna convention ) and if he or she intends to cross the Pyrenees into Spain; they must be sure to have another International Driving Permit ( lets call them IDP's ) that adhere to the 1949 Geneva Convention. Finally if our British drivers ever fancied popping over to Liechtenstein before returning to the UK, then be sure to have yet another IDP, that adhere's to the 1929 Convention. I've yet to find out what IDP the Duchy of Grand Fenwick use's but no doubt it entails having a man running in front of the car with a red flag.

Which presumably they needed before we ever joined the EU. Been done once, we can do it again.

[John William]

	Quote:	Medea Fleecestealer
	Which presumably they needed before we ever joined the EU. Been done once, we can do it again.

Must say I like the cut of your jib but tell me how long have you been living in the olden days ?

[marton]

	Quote:	John William
	Also in the event of a Hard Brexit, British drivers with British driving licenses entering France, need to also apply for an International Driving Permit ( which adheres to the 1968 Vienna convention ) and if he or she intends to cross the Pyrenees into Spain; they must be sure to have another International Driving Permit ( lets call them IDP's ) that adhere to the 1949 Geneva Convention. Finally if our British drivers ever fancied popping over to Liechtenstein before returning to the UK, then be sure to have yet another IDP, that adhere's to the 1929 Convention. I've yet to find out what IDP the Duchy of Grand Fenwick use's but no doubt it entails having a man running in front of the car with a red flag.

Sorry, no running allowed!

[Medea Fleecestealer]

	Quote:	John William
	Must say I like the cut of your jib but tell me how long have you been living in the olden days ?

Since I lived them back in the 60s and 70s before we joined the EU.

[marton]

	Quote:	Medea Fleecestealer
	Which presumably they needed before we ever joined the EU. Been done once, we can do it again.

At one time Brexit was a big step forward, then it was "not much change" and now it is "Been done once, we can do it again"

Never mind, once the new currency exchange controls are in place then nobody will be going abroad.

[Medea Fleecestealer]

	Quote:	marton
	At one time Brexit was a big step forward, then it was "not much change" and now it is "Been done once, we can do it again" Never mind, once the new currency exchange controls are in place then nobody will be going abroad.

Well, where do you think the procedures in the event of a soft or hard Brexit are going to come from if not the past? They'll certainly provide guidelines for drawing up new ones.

And yeah we did without the EU before so we can do it again.

	Quote:	John William
	Must say I like the cut of your jib but tell me how long have you been living in the olden days ?

I did - no exchange of driving licences before EU - in London in 1970- I had to retake licence fully. That was after 6 months if permanent resident, or one year if temporary. (private of course, not haulage).

[John William]

	Quote:	Medea Fleecestealer
	Since I lived them back in the 60s and 70s before we joined the EU.

So what do reckon to Brexit Britain's chances of restoring the British trading empire again ?

[John William]

	Quote:
	I did - no exchange of driving licences before EU - in London in 1970- I had to retake licence fully. That was after 6 months if permanent resident, or one year if temporary. (private of course, not haulage).

Tell me did you appear on The Good Old Days together with Leonard Sachs ?

Nope - but I did see myself in a clip from the Isle of White Festival

[John William]

	Quote:
	Nope - but I did see myself in a clip from the Isle of White Festival

Even worst !!

[marton]

Karma

	Quote:
	Farage REFUSED ENTRY to EU building - 'It's never happened before!' FORMER Ukip leader Nigel Farage was not allowed into an EU council building and was blocked by security for the first time in his 15 years of serving as a Member of European Parliament.

Source

due to issues with his security pass but sadly he was eventually allowed in.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	John William
	And as we all know, Eurosceptic ex Chancellor of the Exchequer, Nigel Lawson now known as Lord Lawson of Blaby, managed to secure his French residents permit earlier this year, despite holding down a UK job in the House of Lords.

No requirement to ever go to the House of Lords, most do as they get paid for turning up.

[marton]

Who knows how many supply chains could get disrupted by Brexit.

This week I ordered something from Amazon.de for Swiss delivery.
When I checked the tracking, it told me my article is in Dunstable

Mad Cow disease confirmed in Scotland. Wow, that was the last thing the British farming industry needed.

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	Mad Cow disease confirmed in Scotland. Wow, that was the last thing the British farming industry needed.

There are sporadic cases every couple of years. Really nothing to get into a panic about, and absolutely nothing to do with Brexit.