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View Poll Results: What would you personally prefer to happen?
I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
Voters: 212. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 19.10.2018, 12:43
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Well, as full as possible, without demonising experts.

Experts from the pharmaceutical and medical professions, re availability of essential drugs and isotopes for cancer treatment, and massive shortages of Drs, nurses and other NHS staff.

From the international haulage companies and internation transport and flights
From international research organisations
From international anti-terrorist cooperation
From international law, business and finance
From Ireland and NI (and there are no solutions to this at all)
From agriculture
From car and other manufacturers

and ...... 100s more.


It's all a bit Michael Caine ...
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Lies and fraud are regular propaganda that all involved parties use in politics.
Russian (or any other) interference is something you can't control.
Full knowledge of consequences: nobody has achieved this in history before.
That's what you meant, no?
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Old 19.10.2018, 13:41
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That's what you meant, no?

oops, yes. I've fixed my post.
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Old 19.10.2018, 13:51
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Lies and fraud are regular propaganda that all involved parties use in politics.
Russian (or any other) interference is something you can't control.
Full knowledge of consequences: nobody has achieved this in history before.
To a certain extent I agree with you, but that does not mean you should no try. For instance in all Irish referenda, there is an independent commission chaired by a senior member of the judiciary that is charged with providing factual information about the topic. And that does prevent a lot of the BS, because the last thing any politician wants is to be called out by the commission the following morning for trying to sell BS to the voters.
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Old 19.10.2018, 14:54
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To a certain extent I agree with you, but that does not mean you should no try. For instance in all Irish referenda, there is an independent commission chaired by a senior member of the judiciary that is charged with providing factual information about the topic. And that does prevent a lot of the BS, because the last thing any politician wants is to be called out by the commission the following morning for trying to sell BS to the voters.
The UK referenda are non-binding (unless explicitly declared binding). Unless that changed by the Brexit vote (one might think it has) that makes such a commission rather pointless.
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Old 19.10.2018, 15:36
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BTW, who in the Conservative Party- would have the qualities required to take over from Mrs May. I can't think of a single one ... can you?
Tobias Ellwood for one, but he wouldn't put himself forward for the job.

On both sides of the divide, there are still damned good politicians, but they're grafting rather than basically being caricatures. Imagine a GE with Ellwood and Umunna as party leaders!
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The UK referenda are non-binding (unless explicitly declared binding). Unless that changed by the Brexit vote (one might think it has) that makes such a commission rather pointless.
Really, after what you have just seen, you think it is not worth trying to filter out the BS???? And ignoring that fact there was a GE called afterwards to give teeth to that decision????

Well I guess some people just never learn.
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Really, after what you have just seen, you think it is not worth trying to filter out the BS???? And ignoring that fact there was a GE called afterwards to give teeth to that decision????

Well I guess some people just never learn.
Last time I checked the GE was a disaster for the Tories that cost them the majority, that doesn't have that many teeth.
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Gave BIG teeth- and their are wagging the dog

The DUP
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WOW - so no meaningful vote in Parliament now:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u..._nULORb8KDnE_k

I can understand the fors and against of a second People's vote - but she PROMISED Parliament, would have a meaningful vote
Parliamentary Democracy ?!?

David Davies as next leader ?!? That David Davies who faffed about doing absolutely nothing as negotiatior for how long? Wow, they must be desperate
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Old 19.10.2018, 21:16
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I can understand the fors and against of a second People's vote - but she PROMISED Parliament, would have a meaningful vote
Parliamentary Democracy ?!?
Yap, the weakest democracy in Europe - the constitution is whatever the government of the day says it is. Is it any wonder British politicians, used to making it up as they go along have great difficulty dealing with something like the EU - a rule based organization where people apply the rules and follow them to their logical conclusion. They are going to have the same issue once they start to try negotiating deals in accordance with WTO rules I expect.
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Yap, the weakest democracy in Europe
Is it? A democracy I mean.

If it is, how can HRM rightfully claim to be the Sovereign? And how can the parliament decide if a public vote is binding or not?
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Is it? A democracy I mean.

If it is, how can HRM rightfully claim to be the Sovereign? And how can the parliament decide if a public vote is binding or not?
Yes but the Jacobites still don't recognise the Queen and the House of Windsor which really should
be called the House of Saxe-Coburg & Gotha ( if it wasn't for George V changing the Royal families
surname to Windsor during WWI ) and besides weren't they all usurpers to the rightful claimants to
the throne, namely the House of Stuart ?

Instead the British have had German royal descendants on the British throne for over 300 years
now, since George I of Hanover.
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And today an estimated 670.000 peacefully marched in London for a vote on the final deal - wow.
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Just another 17 million to go.
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And today an estimated 670.000 peacefully marched in London for a vote on the final deal - wow.
Since over 1 million more people voted to leave than stay 670k would seem an irrelevant small no.
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Lovely to see so many people enjoying their rights to peaceful protest. Good on them!
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Since over 1 million more people voted to leave than stay 670k would seem an irrelevant small no.
So how many people are marching against a second referendum?
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So how many people are marching against a second referendum?
Perhaps they are just too intelligent as they realise a second referendum will never happen. The people had a chance to vote, it was a once in a generation opportunity.
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Perhaps they are just too intelligent as they realise a second referendum will never happen. The people had a chance to vote, it was a once in a generation opportunity.
"a once in a generation opportunity" So you accept a second referendum is OK but only in 28 years; so we just need to debate the timescale a little more?
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