The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[Chuff]

	Quote:	curley
	To become wise demands an effort. And even then there is no guarantee.

In yours and Olidie's case, yes, clearly, considering how much rubbish you both write on this topic.

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	More people marched in London for a #peoplesvote than there are in the populations of the EU countries of Luxembourg and Malta. And almost as many as in Cyprus. That is a country size out marching - wish I could have been there.

Shame it ain’t Luxembourg or Malta that voted to leave. A mere 600,000 turned out to protest, whilst 17.4 million gammons dragged themselves to the ballot boxes. #stillwinning

[lewton]

Is anybody else excited about May potentially getting the chop this week?

No, because there is no-one of calibre to take over, and she is actually the best of a terribly bad bunch.

	Quote:	MusicChick
	People debate to learn. Then there are those who debate to win. It is pretty obvious. https://www.researchgate.net/publica...alism_of_Truth

If you can see your country making a terrible mistake, one which will affect you, and more importantly your family and grandchildren - then of course you debate to 'win' - because losing does not bear thinking about.

Perhaps someone who does 'know it all' could give me/us

the solution for the Irish border
the solution for the availaibility of medicines and cancer treatment isotopes
the solution for international haulage and flights
the solution for stopping job losses
the solution for stopping brain drain to Europe and elsewhere
the solution for losing the financial markets
the solution .... for so many more.

I'd absolutely love for someone to know it all, and solve it all. You, Music, perhaps? Or FMF perhaps.

[fatmanfilms]

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	because losing does not bear thinking about. .

This is where remain screwed up, they did not think for a minute about losing & were totally unprepared.

You seem to forget the millions who gave up their lives during the second world war. This & this alone gives today's population the option of voting for who makes up the rules today.

AI will replace loads of lower & middle skill jobs, so having an exodus at this point in the technology cycle will seem like an amazingly good time to have left the EU when looking back in 20 years time when the European unfunded pensions will also be biting.

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Shame it ain’t Luxembourg or Malta that voted to leave. A mere 600,000 turned out to protest, whilst 17.4 million gammons dragged themselves to the ballot boxes. #stillwinning

You realise that the objective of the Peoples Vote is to demand a public say on the final Brexit deal, don't you?

Seems the representative 800,000+ people think this might be important before the goons in government sell the country down the river with some batshit crazy (no)deal.

Doesn't matter whether you voted to Leave or Remain.

HTH.

[fatmanfilms]

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	You realise that the objective of the Peoples Vote is to demand a public say on the final Brexit deal, don't you? Seems the representative 800,000+ people think this might be important before the goons in government sell the country down the river with some batshit crazy (no)deal. Doesn't matter whether you voted to Leave or Remain. HTH.

As the majority of those goons voted remain already, their vote has already been counted.

[NotAllThere]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	This is where remain screwed up, they did not think for a minute about losing & were totally unprepared.

It's also where brexit leaders screwed up. They did not think for a minute about winning & were totally unprepared!

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	As the majority of those goons voted remain already, their vote has already been counted.

Makes no difference

Given the utter directionless mess that's happening now, anyone with more than two brain-cells to rub together is demanding some kind of public input on how it all goes down in the end.

It's easy when you've got your rosy tinted expat goggles on to go for the extreme exit ("Yeah, who cares - I don't even live there!") but for those who have to actually live in the UK, it's not so black and white.

It would be interesting to know out of who voted Leave, what the percentage of people of the 17 mill actually wanted a hard Brexit. Probably not as many as you would like to think.

[fatmanfilms]

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	Makes no difference Given the utter directionless mess that's happening now, anyone with more than two brain-cells to rub together is demanding some kind of public input on how it all goes down in the end. It's easy when you've got your rosy tinted expat goggles on to go for the extreme exit ("Yeah, who cares - I don't even live there!") but for those who have to actually live in the UK, it's not so black and white. It would be interesting to know out of who voted Leave, what the percentage of people of the 17 mill actually wanted a hard Brexit. Probably not as many as you would like to think.

Logically, it's less of a worry for someone who works & lives in the UK than an expat who lives in an EU country, without the right of a vote on BREXIT. I guess the ability to accept change & having never worked for a large corporation, I am able to think & adapt to whatever life throws at me. I always look for the positives in any situation, I could have given up years ago.

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	You realise that the objective of the Peoples Vote is to demand a public say on the final Brexit deal, don't you?

So they keep saying. However the “vote one the final deal” that they’re demanding consists of:

• Accept the deal
• Reject the deal
• Remain in the EU

It doesn’t take Columbo to work out that the plan is to split the Leave vote so that the country ends up remaining in the EU.

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Logically, it's less of a worry for someone who works & lives in the UK than an expat who lives in an EU country. I guess the ability to accept change & having never worked for a large corporation, I am able to think & adapt ti whatever life throws at me. I always look for the positives in any situation.

Which throws weight behind my assertion that it's not a big % of the 17 mill that voted for a hard Brexit.

If you are mobile, an expat, have no kids, and do niche work for small companies, a hard Brexit gets the thumbs up.

	Quote:	Loz1983
	So they keep saying. However the “vote one the final deal” that they’re demanding consists of: Accept the deal Reject the deal Remain in the EU

It has already more sophistication than the original sledgehammer referendum.

[greenmount]

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	I It would be interesting to know out of who voted Leave, what the percentage of people of the 17 mill actually wanted a hard Brexit. Probably not as many as you would like to think.

I would be interested to know how they imagined Brexit. For me it would have been more than obvious that there will be benefits but also losses. Expecting to retain only the common market - as in commerce and capital freedom purposes was a bit naive I think. I think most people imagined they'd be able to enjoy the good part and "get their country back" in the same time.

Most still count on bilateral agreements with each country, and the EU operates like a single block. They did not expect that for sure.

	Quote:	greenmount
	I would be interested to know how they imagined Brexit. For me it would have been more than obvious that there will be benefits but also losses. Expecting to retain only the common market - as in commerce and capital freedom purposes was a bit naive I think. I think most people imagined they'd be able to enjoy the good part and "get their country back" in the same time.

"Imagination" being the key point in it all.

	Quote:	greenmount
	I would be interested to know how they imagined Brexit. For me it would have been more than obvious that there will be benefits but also losses. Expecting to retain only the common market - as in commerce and capital freedom purposes was a bit naive I think. I think most people imagined they'd be able to enjoy the good part and "get their country back" in the same time.

Exactly this I think. I'm not sure anyone "imagined Brexit," not serously, not really. Lots of naivety as you say and quite a bit of single issue voting: that's what must have happened in my home town.

	Quote:	Loz1983
	So they keep saying. However the “vote one the final deal” that they’re demanding consists of: Accept the deal Reject the deal Remain in the EU It doesn’t take Columbo to work out that the plan is to split the Leave vote so that the country ends up remaining in the EU.

So you accept that most people don't want a no deal exit? Interesting.

[k_and_e]

	Quote:	greenmount
	I would be interested to know how they imagined Brexit. For me it would have been more than obvious that there will be benefits but also losses. Expecting to retain only the common market - as in commerce and capital freedom purposes was a bit naive I think. I think most people imagined they'd be able to enjoy the good part and "get their country back" in the same time.

The only way you can realistically imagine Brexit, is that UK is not in the EU. Nobody can know what will happen and how it works out as all deals will be a result of a process of negotiation in combination with all kind of other future events in the world.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	As we agree on something I will let John Cleese explain stupidity for you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvVPdyYeaQU

And I'll let John Cleese explain to you corruption in the British press, which he has blamed many times for Brexit. It's one of the main reasons that he's leaving the UK for good at the end of this month.

How does this work?

	Quote:	Blueangel
	And I'll let John Cleese explain to you corruption in the British press, which he has blamed many times for Brexit. It's one of the main reasons that he's leaving the UK for good at the end of this month. How does this work?

Sick of corruption... so he's moving to the Caribbean?

Makes sense...