The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[StirB]

	Quote:	22 yards
	Lump-sum taxation applies to personal tax for individuals only and isn't available to corporations to reduce corporate tax, as already stated. The qualification criteria were toughened up a few years ago and the amount of federal tax payable was increased at the same time. Only around 5,000 individuals in the entire country have such an arrangement, so the number of cantons offering lump-sum tax deals isn't exactly relevant.

Bingo. I'm sure FMF will be kind enough to retract his claims.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	22 yards
	Lump-sum taxation applies to personal tax for individuals only and isn't available to corporations to reduce corporate tax, as already stated. The qualification criteria were toughened up a few years ago and the amount of federal tax payable was increased at the same time. Only around 5,000 individuals in the entire country have such an arrangement, so the number of cantons offering lump-sum tax deals isn't exactly relevant.

How were the criteria toughened up? The no of deals has not changed significantly in many years, which would imply very little changed.
Anyone who has worked in CH in the last 10 years is excluded & you can't be working in CH. The min tax liability is about 150k.

	Quote:	StirB
	Bingo. I'm sure FMF will be kind enough to retract his claims.

Not sure why the no of cantons is irrelevant when you used the word 'some' when in truth most or even the vast majority do, so nothing for me to retract.

PWC seem to believe tax incentives for newly established business's such as tax holidays. Privileged tax regimes would also appear possible. Remember Ireland & Apple was a deal just 1 company was offered.
http://taxsummaries.pwc.com/ID/Switz...and-incentives

Rolex, started out as a British company, moved to Genera to pay less tax. It now pays ZERO tax, being a charitable foundation. Rolex owners should be respected for their huge charitable donations

[NotAllThere]

	Quote:	st2lemans
	Well, at least the UK has nukes, and most of the EU doesn't. Tom

Which gives a neat solution to the NI border issue. Ireland doesn't have nukes and isn't a member of NATO. The UK should invade.

[StirB]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	How were the criteria toughened up? The no of deals has not changed significantly in many years, which would imply very little changed. Anyone who has worked in CH in the last 10 years is excluded & you can't be working in CH. The min tax liability is about 150k. Not sure why the no of cantons is irrelevant when you used the word 'some' when in truth most or even the vast majority do, so nothing for me to retract. PWC seem to believe tax incentives for newly established business's such as tax holidays. Privileged tax regimes would also appear possible. Remember Ireland & Apple was a deal just 1 company was offered. http://taxsummaries.pwc.com/ID/Switz...and-incentives Rolex, started out as a British company, moved to Genera to pay less tax. It now pays ZERO tax, being a charitable foundation. Rolex owners should be respected for their huge charitable donations

You suggested that Switzerland operated like Ireland; specifically that companies get individual sweetheart deals. We proved you were incorrect in this assertion.

The number of cantons is irrelevant, as this applies ONLY to PERSONAL lump sum taxation, not corporate.

Hope this clears things up and look forward to your retraction 😘

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	StirB
	You suggested that Switzerland operated like Ireland; specifically that companies get individual sweetheart deals. We proved you were incorrect in this assertion. The number of cantons is irrelevant, as this applies ONLY to PERSONAL lump sum taxation, not corporate. Hope this clears things up and look forward to your retraction 😘

Did you read the link or could explain how Rolex is considered a charity Makes Apple look like amateurs.

[Urs Max]

	Quote:	StirB
	No Cantons allow Tax Forfait for companies, but apply their local rates which vary by Gemeinde. All companies will pay Federal Tax on top of this.

I don't think that's true, look up Lex Bonny. While its applicability has been reduced by a lot and replaced by a successor regulation tax reduction (perhaps complete elimination) for up to ten years is still used to increase CH's attractiveness.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	Urs Max
	I don't think that's true, look up Lex Bonny. While its applicability has been reduced by a lot and replaced by a successor regulation tax reduction (perhaps complete elimination) for up to ten years is still used to increase CH's attractiveness.

17 Cantons which is the majority in anybodies book.

I wonder if StirB & 22 yards have the balls to apologise.

	Quote:	22 yards
	Lump-sum taxation applies to personal tax for individuals only and isn't available to corporations to reduce corporate tax, as already stated.

[lewton]

	Quote:	marton
	You already admitted your post was incorrect, I quote "I was writing from my phone in the U-Bahn on the way back to work, and I did not have the time to find the exact years."

Nothing in my past was incorrect.
I wrote that immigration from the EU increased massively between 2010 and 2105 and someone hacked your account a few pages later, posting a graph that proved I was right.

[Jim2007]

	Quote:
	The Brexit secretary has warned that French authorities could introduce a "go-slow" policy at the port of Calais if there is no Brexit deal. Dominic Raab said this was the "worst-case scenario" and said that the UK could prepare by using "more amenable ports" in other countries.

source

So is Raab a complete idiot or doe he think everyone else is??? Does he really think that other EU ports will not comply with the standard procedures of dealing with a third country and that they can get around the issue by avoiding Calais.

Sad, very sad.

[marton]

	Quote:	lewton
	Nothing in my past was incorrect. I wrote that immigration from the EU increased massively between 2010 and 2105 and someone hacked your account a few pages later, posting a graph that proved I was right.

	Quote:	lewton
	....... Did the massive increase happen exactly between 2010 and 2015? No, it started in 2012 and lasted until 2016. I should burn in hell for this. .......

Whatever you say

[greenmount]

	Quote:	lewton
	I don't understand why you refuse to accept that increased immigration played a huge role in the referendum result. .

	Quote:	lewton
	It's easy to convince a not very intelligent person, especially one that can barely make ends meet

	Quote:	lewton
	Today Germany is practically begging people from Eastern Europe to move here, and it accepts any non European with a job offer (family members included), while the UK acts like a hysterical old lady.

A few points re. your replies to marton

I don't know why you're convinced that only people who "barely make the ends meet" or "not a very intelligent person" can believe everything you pour into their heads. Nobody is immune to certain trends or manipulations...once the season is open...heh.
But let's give some credit here. UK is not a huge immigration country like USA for instance. It's quite a crowded island and I understand the "claustrophobia".
On the other hand you say Germany has a different attitude but it's a different attitude now (as you admitted yourself)... I personally expected from them more investments in EE countries, other things tbh. You present freedom of movement as the main goal, the main victory. Is it? I know that free movement of people is written in the treaties, but that's so not the main issue when discussing about EU. If we accept that every discussion about EU should revolve around immigration then we will never know how to improve the way it functions and the way it functions for each country. Immigration is an effect, not a cause. Worldwide.
Anyway, the thing is that every country needs qualified people. (and also less or low qualified but that's a different story) Judging from this perspective, young labour force that moves out of a country to serve another country's needs means losing, not winning, some countries don't win anything by that. They lose population that is anyway declining, and they lose the younger ones. It's a loss for them, for which they're not really compensated. The only thing I can agree with you is that you can't have a common market and other freedoms without freedom of movement to compensate each side. Whether that functions for everyone....is very debatable. ;-)

[John William]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	source So is Raab a complete idiot or doe he think everyone else is??? Does he really think that other EU ports will not comply with the standard procedures of dealing with a third country and that they can get around the issue by avoiding Calais. Sad, very sad.

Rumour has it that as part of the hard Brexit contingency planning, Britain will renew it's claim
for Calais ( the last bit of French soil lost to the English after the 100 years war in 1558 )
to thwart any move by French customs to lock down the port after Brexit.

	Quote:	John William
	Rumour has it that as part of the hard Brexit contingency planning, Britain will renew it's claim for Calais ( the last bit of French soil lost to the English after the 100 years war in 1558 ) to thwart any move by French customs to lock down the port after Brexit.

Lol.

[marton]

	Quote:	John William
	Rumour has it that as part of the hard Brexit contingency planning, Britain will renew it's claim for Calais ( the last bit of French soil lost to the English after the 100 years war in 1558 ) to thwart any move by French customs to lock down the port after Brexit.

But who will be daft enough to lend the UK the money to do the necessary infrastructure upgrade

[Sky]

a step towards hope..

https://www.24heures.ch/suisse/relat...story/17139653

[Chuff]

	Quote:	Sky
	a step towards hope.. https://www.24heures.ch/suisse/relat...story/17139653

This is not really news and was told to us in the Brexit roadshows months ago.

[Odile]

Oh yes, Lord Sugar. Why should Government Ministers and politicians be allowed to use tactics not even second-hand car and stairlift salesmen would not get away with:

https://www.facebook.com/BBCPolitics...7545177635345/

	Quote:	Odile
	Oh yes, Lord Sugar. Why should Government Ministers and politicians be allowed to use tactics not even second-hand car and stairlift salesmen would not get away with: https://www.facebook.com/BBCPolitics...7545177635345/

I'm never voting for Lord Sugar ever again.

[Urs Max]

	Quote:	greenmount
	The only thing I can agree with you is that you can't have a common market and other freedoms without freedom of movement to compensate each side.

Clearly that's the EU's position but generally speaking I don't think that holds.

Otherwise freee trade agreements, which I know none of that includes FMOP, would be very difficult to implement, or impossible, or whatever the lack of FMOP would mean to them.

FMOP isn't necessary for the EEA either, but it is a necessity if the EU is to become some sort of federation or even a state.

[Odile]

Oh Loz, I am sure he will be desperately upset ...