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View Poll Results: What would you personally prefer to happen?
I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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Old 27.10.2018, 21:51
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The problem with learning a new language is that I've become more pedantic about how English is written. I'm resisting the urge to scrutinise /correct your post John William. No offence meant.

The expat/immigrant experience of Brits in Switzerland is markedly different to that of Brits elsewhere in the EU. For example, there's a considerable move in Spain to have a number of MPs dedicated to represent overseas British nationals and voters.

As the British Ambassador explained at the Brexit roadshows, what is decided for brits in Switzerland, will largely be based upon the final deal between the the UK and the EU. However, Switzerland has expressed a desire to maintain a close relationship with the UK, and I keep hearing how people are being invited to renew their residence permits earlier than the expiration date on their current ones. Someone on EF was asked to renew their permit a year early, and mine was 4mths early. When it arrived, I was only expecting 1 or 2yrs, but was given a 5yr permit.

The big issue will come with the right to work in CH. I'm talking to friends in Spain and Germany to get an indication of how it will pan out here.

Yes no doubt that will be the big issue for Brits in CH.
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Old 28.10.2018, 08:22
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Lex Bonny is very specific to mitigate job losses in industrial Gemeindes of CH. More importantly to our discussion with FMF, it does NOT get applied to selective companies (i.e. no sweetheart deals) and is available to ANY company that fulfils certain criteria...

1. Must be considered an industry (i.e. manufactures goods)
2. Must be a new concern
3. Must be of benefit to the Gemeinde / Canton.
So tax deals are done in CH, when earlier you claimed they were not.

Meanwhile Rolex is a charity & pays zero tax.
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No-one knows - NO-ONE - not Mrs May, not any of her Ministers- not the Government - and of course, much more complicated with CH which is also struggling to find solutions to the vote in Feb. 2014 - so a double whammy of not knowing anything for those of us Brits here - even those with double nationality. NO-ONE has a f.... lipping clue
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Old 28.10.2018, 11:54
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So tax deals are done in CH, when earlier you claimed they were not.

Meanwhile Rolex is a charity & pays zero tax.
Actually not quite. Rolex is owned by a "charitable" trust which as a "charity" doesn't pay tax. The Rolex companies will be liable to pay normal taxes...but I'm sure the ownership structure offers plenty of opportunities to shelter that.

As both companies and the trust refuse to publish accounts nobody knows for sure.

Edit - actually charities don't pay tax in many jurisdictions. Certainly including the UK. Ask elite private school Eton how much they pay...no income/corporate tax, no rates, no VAT.

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Old 28.10.2018, 13:04
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Edit - actually charities don't pay tax in many jurisdictions. Certainly including the UK. Ask elite private school Eton how much they pay...no income/corporate tax, no rates, no VAT.
There are no shareholders to a school, nobody receives a dividend or owns a share. It's a charity in the true sense of non profit organisation. Schools like insurance companies can't reclaim VAT on supplies, thats the problem with VAT exemption v VAT zero rate. You don't pay VAT on insurance premiums either.

Perhaps Dr's & hospital bills should also be subject to VAT.......Same for food..........
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There are no shareholders to a school, nobody receives a dividend or owns a share. It's a charity in the true sense of non profit organisation.
Really?

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ZURICH (Reuters) - The investment firm for Switzerland’s wealthy Jacobs family has agreed to acquire global private schools group Cognita from Bregal Investments and KKR (KKR.N), the partners said on Monday, without giving financial terms.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-c...-idUSKCN1LJ1A3
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Old 28.10.2018, 13:42
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There are no shareholders to a school, nobody receives a dividend or owns a share. It's a charity in the true sense of non profit organisation. Schools like insurance companies can't reclaim VAT on supplies, thats the problem with VAT exemption v VAT zero rate. You don't pay VAT on insurance premiums either.

Perhaps Dr's & hospital bills should also be subject to VAT.......Same for food..........
...and there are no shareholders to the trust that owns Rolex either. and yes, that does mean that "no-one" owns Rolex. I'm not defending the arrangement, just pointing that charitable status is abused pretty well everywhere.

Quite different (legally) to the Eire/Apple arrangement which is the only point here.
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Old 28.10.2018, 16:15
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It's a charity in the true sense of non profit organisation.
I reckon it's a bit of a grey area in some cases.


https://www.theguardian.com/educatio...h-cow-business

https://www.theguardian.com/teacher-...nd-their-money
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Old 28.10.2018, 16:36
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Edit - actually charities don't pay tax in many jurisdictions. Certainly including the UK. Ask elite private school Eton how much they pay...no income/corporate tax, no rates, no VAT.
Hate to be pedantic, but Eton is a public school not a private school. Also, as with many public schools, there's an element of that is a registered company with shareholders.

From 2013-2015, I lived 3 miles from the college and remember seeing mention of EtonX in local media, etc... https://techcrunch.com/2015/06/19/etonx/
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I was replying about Eton as you will have read, so no relevance to my answer.
As a teacher you must accept that the answer is based on the question or topic being discussed. Taking things out of context again is pathetic.
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Old 28.10.2018, 19:17
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Hate to be pedantic, but Eton is a public school not a private school.
I know. But I refuse to call a school that rations access to those able to afford £36K a year "public".
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Old 28.10.2018, 19:23
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I know. But I refuse to call a school that rations access to those able to afford £36K a year "public".
Scholarships are available exceptionally bright kids, not everyone pays that.
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Old 28.10.2018, 19:37
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A speech from Alice Weidel in German with English subtitles, at least someone understands the problems of the EU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNh3312dTtA
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Old 28.10.2018, 19:44
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A speech from Alice Weidel in German with English subtitles, at least someone understands the problems of the EU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNh3312dTtA
Might have guessed you would like AfD.
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Old 28.10.2018, 19:48
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Lex Bonny is very specific to mitigate job losses in industrial Gemeindes of CH. More importantly to our discussion with FMF, it does NOT get applied to selective companies (i.e. no sweetheart deals) and is available to ANY company that fulfils certain criteria...

1. Must be considered an industry (i.e. manufactures goods)
2. Must be a new concern
3. Must be of benefit to the Gemeinde / Canton.
So you agree that your previous statement is simply false?

This is what you wrote:
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offer individual companies individual tax arrangements

As you should know, both personal & corporate deals are done.
That is simply not true.

Some Cantons allow Tax Forfait for PERSONAL taxation, although many do not.

No Cantons allow Tax Forfait for companies, but apply their local rates which vary by Gemeinde.

All companies will pay Federal Tax on top of this.
Besides, cantonal tax rates don't vary by Gemeinde (at least they shouldn't), communal rates do. It's in the name.
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Eton has no shareholders, if you read what I am replying to you should not be confused.
Also to be pedantic
Eton College owns a number of limited companies which by law must have shareholders.

How this is relevant to the OP post I have no clue?
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Old 28.10.2018, 20:03
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Also to be pedantic
Eton College owns a number of limited companies which by law must have shareholders.

How this is relevant to the OP post I have no clue?
However the beneficial owner Eton College has no shareholders. Shareholders can be other companies or even a charity Companies are used to reduce liability to as little as £2 rather than unlimited liability.
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A speech from Alice Weidel in German with English subtitles, at least someone understands the problems of the EU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNh3312dTtA
I don't understand what she (and you) is trying to say.
That the EU is holding all the cards and is trying to use them to its benefit?
Brexiteers insisted before the vote that the UK was holding all the cards and that the EU needed a deal with the UK more than the UK needed one. Some idiot Tory even said that the UK would negotiate the deal directly with Germany because German car manufacturers would force Merkel to sign a quick deal.
When the Brexiteers used this kind of language first, it is not about a fair negotiation anymore.
I'm all for the strong side helping the weak one, but not when the weak one has made it clear that it wouldn't do the same had it been the strong one.

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Old 28.10.2018, 20:16
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A speech from Alice Weidel in German with English subtitles, at least someone understands the problems of the EU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNh3312dTtA
While she lives in Switzerland she is able to comment without having any skin in the game.

I wonder how the Swiss would react to a populist Swiss party leader who lived in another country?
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Old 28.10.2018, 21:26
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We cant talk till we go blue in the face, but then we all know now that this is what it is all about:

In January of 2013, Cameron confirmed he favoured an EU referendum after Brussels produced a concrete action plan to stamp out tax-avoiding practices amongst its member states.

He also made his first push to exempt Europe’s smallest entrepreneurial companies from more EU Directives by requesting from the President of the European Council that it excluded offshore trusts from the directive.

As the Guardian noted here, “David Cameron intervened personally to prevent offshore trusts from being dragged into an EU-wide crackdown on tax avoidance.

“In a letter to the then president of the European council, Herman Van Rompuy, the prime minister said that trusts should not automatically be subject to the same transparency requirements as companies.”

It is perhaps not surprising therefore that within a month of the European Commission presenting a proposal on the anti-tax avoidance proposal Theresa Villiers, Priti Patel, Michael Gove, Iain Duncan Smith, Chris Grayling, and John Whittingdale appeared at the Vote Leave headquarters holding a banner with a slogan “Let’s take back control”.

They have achieved their goals, but at what expense to the British public?
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