The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[Odile]

Can we get back to Brexit please!

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	Odile
	Can we get back to Brexit please!

Looks like it's scheduled for the end of March, you need to be patient. Are you not an elitist highly qualified off topic poster

[StirB]

	Quote:	Urs Max
	I replied to your "No Cantons allow Tax Forfait for companies, [..] All companies will pay Federal Tax on top of this." a claim that is just plain false. There's that.

Which part do you believe is false. I will confess, I read that all companies, regardless of cantonal/council rates have to pay Federal tax - I could imagine I am wrong on this.

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	I don't remember ever being able to write so eloquently, I maintained both personal & corporate tax deals are done, which clearly they are. Your claim 'No Cantons allow Tax Forfait for companies' is false Edit I see Urs Max has cleared this up already

Tax Forfait is a very specific term which applies to Personal Tax only. It still involves paying a lump sum instead of the normal tax rates.

Companies might be able to have specialized (or no) tax in specific Gemeindes / Cantons, where their presence benefits local workers, but this is by no means Tax Forfait.

[Sandgrounder]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	I maintained both personal & corporate tax deals are done, which clearly they are. Your claim 'No Cantons allow Tax Forfait for companies' is false

	Quote:	StirB
	Tax Forfait is a very specific term which applies to Personal Tax only. It still involves paying a lump sum instead of the normal tax rates. Companies might be able to have specialized (or no) tax in specific Gemeindes / Cantons, where their presence benefits local workers, but this is by no means Tax Forfait.

I think what would clear it up is if FMF can provide a linked example of a company which does indeed have such tax conditions in Switzerland as he is claiming in his posts.

Same thing as the Apple / Ireland set up.

[baboon]

	Quote:	Sandgrounder
	I think what would clear it up is if FMF can provide a linked example of a company which does indeed have such tax conditions in Switzerland as he is claiming in his posts. Same thing as the Apple / Ireland set up.

Hint - Rolex is NOT one.

[marton]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	UK economic growth for the quarter at 0.7% compared to 0.4% in France and 0.2% in the Eurozone. I'll save you the time folks. "BREXIT HASEN'T HAPPENED YET!!"

Correct, Brexit has not happened yet but when it does.

No-deal Brexit would trigger lengthy UK recession, warns S&P
Credit agency warns of property price falls, unemployment doubling and inflation spiking in latest grim forecast.

Source

[baboon]

	Quote:	marton
	Correct, Brexit has not happened yet but when it does. No-deal Brexit would trigger lengthy UK recession, warns S&P Credit agency warns of property price falls, unemployment doubling and inflation spiking in latest grim forecast. Source

You're nearly making me change my mind....I was thinking about buying a holiday home in the UK...

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	StirB
	Tax Forfait is a very specific term which applies to Personal Tax only. It still involves paying a lump sum instead of the normal tax rates. Companies might be able to have specialized (or no) tax in specific Gemeindes / Cantons, where their presence benefits local workers, but this is by no means Tax Forfait.

I never used the very specific term 'Tax Forfait'.

Your second paragraph would appear to be 100% U turn from you said & now you're agreeing with what I claimed

[StirB]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	I never used the very specific term 'Tax Forfait'.

You literally did about 3 posts ago...

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Your claim 'No Cantons allow Tax Forfait for companies' is false

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Your second paragraph would appear to be 100% U turn from you said & now you're agreeing with what I claimed

Sigh, I am tiring of wrestling an oiled pig. I think everyone can see that this is a multi-part rebuttal of your claims:

1. Switzerland does Sweetheart deals for individual companies, á la Ireland.
2. Companies can get Tax Forfait.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	StirB
	You literally did about 3 posts ago... Sigh, I am tiring of wrestling an oiled pig. I think everyone can see that this is a multi-part rebuttal of your claims: 1. Switzerland does Sweetheart deals for individual companies, á la Ireland. 2. Companies can get Tax Forfait.

If you go back about 5 pages you have been continually dismissing my ORIGINAL claim that tax deals were possible, when they are possible. Remember every Canton has different tax rates. Just moving your headquarters to the Canton of Choice is possible! Not even the requirement to move to another country!

	Quote:	baboon
	Hint - Rolex is NOT one.

You can't know for sure as you have not seen their accounts, but don't let facts get in the way of a good story.

[Sandgrounder]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	If you go back about 5 pages you have been continually dismissing my ORIGINAL claim that tax deals were possible, when they are possible. Remember every Canton has different tax rates. Just moving your headquarters to the Canton of Choice is possible! Not even the requirement to move to another country!

So instead of shilly-shallying around with who said what and all the semantics, name a company which has the same sort of deal that Apple had in Ireland. It would slam-dunk your point in one post.

Job done.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	Sandgrounder
	So instead of shilly-shallying around with who said what and all the semantics, name a company which has the same sort of deal that Apple had in Ireland. It would slam-dunk your point in one post. Job done.

IIRC Apple came into the mix after my original claim, so it would not slam-dunk my point at all

[Sandgrounder]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	IIRC Apple came into the mix after my original claim, so it would not slam-dunk my point at all

Trying to help you out here - you are claiming that Switzerland does similar sweetheart deals as Ireland (or thereabouts?)? This bit, here:

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	I maintained both personal & corporate tax deals are done, which clearly they are.

So far, there hasn't been a sniff of an example where this is true. But a whole shedload of deflection about who said what and the usual bollocks.

Have to say I've been googling and can't find anything which remotely backs it up which is why I suggested you put forth an example seeing as it's so "clear".

[baboon]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	IIRC Apple came into the mix after my original claim, so it would not slam-dunk my point at all

No. You initially brought up Apple (#14277) and then later tried to use Switzerland as some sort of justification for it (#14288).

[Odile]

[QUOTE=fatmanfilms;3007965 Are you not an elitist highly qualified off topic poster [/QUOTE]

ahahah you are so funny - I have never been near a Public School ... mine were very, public. Back to Brexit please, or rather 'not Brexit' ...

[Odile]

So, no idea about Medicines and cancer treatment isotopes, no idea about border and security, no idea about international haulage, ferries, flights, no idea about .... well, practically anything. Apart from blue passports, a big party and new 50p coins which will replace the £ coins- hurrah.

And t'other way round, no idea about EU workers in the UK - just incredible:

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top...bwoVnFpWN6kc1A

[Sandgrounder]

	Quote:	Odile
	Apart from blue passports, a big party and new 50p coins which will replace the £ coins- hurrah.

All of which could have been achieved without Brexit.

[RufusB]

50p coins replacing pound coins?

[Odile]

In value - yes ...

And now, great plans for the NHS- you know, those Americans who have such a wonderful Health Care system:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/l...xwRz6FhTY4UBLY

[RufusB]

	Quote:	Odile
	In value - yes ...

Er... not sure 5x50ps will buy a fiver's worth of anything...