The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[fatmanfilms]

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	So, no idea about Medicines and cancer treatment isotopes, no idea about border and security, no idea about international haulage, ferries, flights, no idea about .... well, practically anything. Apart from blue passports, a big party and new 50p coins which will replace the £ coins- hurrah. And t'other way round, no idea about EU workers in the UK - just incredible: https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top...bwoVnFpWN6kc1A

There are always plenty of things to worry about which you have no control over, far better if you run a business is to concentrate on things you can control & improve what your company does, if you don't someone else will regardless of BREXIT, thats the great thing about capitalism.

Even Brexiters are moving their company OUT of the UK ...

I am pretty sure that a very large % of those who voted for Brexit, did not do so to have the NHS run by the USA, dropping all animal welfare and standards to please the USA, and to lose their jobs - do you?

I thought it was hugely part of 'taking back control' ... oh, and more money for NHS, and stopping those pesky furiners from taking the jobs ...

Re International Haulage:

Dr North is a long time campaigner for leaving the EU. His analyses of the effects of leaving with no deal (which he sees as increasingly likely) are at least informed by years of study .

'In my opinion, it makes sense to take a pessimistic view and then to double down on that to expect far worse than the high-level pundits are predicting. And the reason for this is that the trading infrastructure of the UK is far more fragile than we are led to believe, and far less capable of withstanding the shocks of a "no deal" Brexit than is generally assumed.

Some clues to this come in a report which has received no media attention from Felixstowe-base hauliers James Kemball...

Headed "UK Container Transport Crisis 2018", this points to a UK container transport industry currently at crisis point, evidenced in recent weeks with major disruption to supply chains during this year's peak season period

The essential point here, from the Brexit perspective, is that many of the more optimistic pundits, confronted with warnings of disruption to the ro-ro traffic passing through the Dover-Calais route, argue that the slack can be picked up by other ports and, where there is a shortfall in ro-ro capacity, goods can be diverted into shipping containers and handled by the container ports..

But, even if swapping routes and transport modes is theoretically possible, the Kemball report suggests that an industry on the brink would not be able to cope with the additional traffic, on top of the disturbance and delays brought about by newly implemented border controls.,

[lewton]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	UK economic growth for the quarter at 0.7% compared to 0.4% in France and 0.2% in the Eurozone. I'll save you the time folks. "BREXIT HASEN'T HAPPENED YET!!"

That's really impressive.
So I have a challenge for you: shall we let a no-deal Brexit happen?
Will you put your money where your mouth is?
In other words, are all warnings that no-deal Brexit will cause a long recession in Britain just "project fear"?

Jesus, this is a tough watch...

If you are going to a parliamentary committee meeting you have to at least have SOMETHING up your sleeve to say. Rabbits caught in headlights. Toe-curling

[TobiasM]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	There are always plenty of things to worry about which you have no control over, far better if you run a business is to concentrate on things you can control & improve what your company does, if you don't someone else will regardless of BREXIT, thats the great thing about capitalism.

The great thing about Capitalism is that it’s the directors and share holders that dictate year on year profits at the cost to the environment, to low salaried out sourced workers and the the corporations ensure as little of that profit goes back into society. The police are taking the government to court for cutting policing funding

And if you really believe the UK is flourishing you are really, really deluded!

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	TobiasM
	The great thing about Capitalism is that it’s the directors and share holders that dictate year on year profits at the cost to the environment, to low salaried out sourced workers and the the corporations ensure as little of that profit goes back into society. The police are taking the government to court for cutting policing funding And if you really believe the UK is flourishing you are really, really deluded!

Nothing to stop the workers setting up a co-operative, if they believe they can do better.
Unfortunately shareholders & directors are totally unable to dictate profits, profits come as a result of doing what you do for less than it costs. The no. of business's that go bust every year show it's actually very easy to fail
I never realised the Police was a company with shareholders, thanks for the info

[TobiasM]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Nothing to stop the workers setting up a co-operative, if they believe they can do better. Unfortunately shareholders & directors are totally unable to dictate profits, profits come as a result of doing what you do for less than it costs. The no. of business's that go bust every year show it's actually very easy to fail I never realised the Police was a company with shareholders, thanks for the info

I was referring to the fact tax breaks to big corporations comes at a cost to society, with one example of many, to prove that Britain is not prospering in the face of Brexit. Higher taxation on the general population, but lower taxes on the rich. A flourishing economy should be reflected through all tiers of society and the benefits of big business doing well should also reflect on society. But outsourcing to be able to pay lower wages and rake in enourmous profits so the Directors get 75million bonuses and the shares look good to the shareholders is criminal, in my opinion, and I am truly not a socialist either. So any illusion that the economy is growing is because of locked up profits in the pockets of those corporations and their shareholders. Capitalism as it stands is pretty rubbish. I just wish it could be more regulated to the benefit of every one.

And now, she admits it ...

https://news.sky.com/story/theresa-m...rexit-11540946

Perhaps the Elites are those with expensive Private Insurance, that may (might ...) perhaps, be able to by-pass shortages (perhaps not) ...
and whose hospitals will be wo/manned by Doctors and Nurses moving from the NHS to private as they just cannot do the job they are dedicated to any longer, in such dire circumstances, be they from UK or EU, or anywhere ...

Chomsky theory re privatisation are so accurate, and so easy, in fact.

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"That’s the standard technique of privatization: defund, make sure things don’t work, people get angry, you hand it over to private capital." easy, peasy, people squeezy

[k_and_e]

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	And now, she admits it ... https://news.sky.com/story/theresa-m...rexit-11540946 Perhaps the Elites are those with expensive Private Insurance, that may (might ...) perhaps, be able to by-pass shortages (perhaps not) ... and whose hospitals will be wo/manned by Doctors and Nurses moving from the NHS to private as they just cannot do the job they are dedicated to any longer, in such dire circumstances, be they from UK or EU, or anywhere ... Chomsky theory re privatisation are so accurate, and so easy, in fact. ' "That’s the standard technique of privatization: defund, make sure things don’t work, people get angry, you hand it over to private capital." easy, peasy, people squeezy

Is your account hacked by a fake news factory?

Nope, sadly and tragically

You are however very welcome to counter each and every piece of fact news I post, with factual links to the contrary.

[marton]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Nothing to stop the workers setting up a co-operative, if they believe they can do better. Unfortunately shareholders & directors are totally unable to dictate profits, profits come as a result of doing selling what you do for less more than it costs. The no. of business's that go bust every year show it's actually very easy to fail I never realised the Police was a company with shareholders, thanks for the info

ftfy

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	TobiasM
	I was referring to the fact tax breaks to big corporations comes at a cost to society, with one example of many, to prove that Britain is not prospering in the face of Brexit. Higher taxation on the general population, but lower taxes on the rich. A flourishing economy should be reflected through all tiers of society and the benefits of big business doing well should also reflect on society. But outsourcing to be able to pay lower wages and rake in enourmous profits so the Directors get 75million bonuses and the shares look good to the shareholders is criminal, in my opinion, and I am truly not a socialist either. So any illusion that the economy is growing is because of locked up profits in the pockets of those corporations and their shareholders. Capitalism as it stands is pretty rubbish. I just wish it could be more regulated to the benefit of every one.

You obviously missed the Budget! Tax free allowance increased to £12,500 & 40% tax kicks in above £50k taxable so after £62.500 income. This has considerably cut taxation at the lower end of earnings, makes bugger all difference if you earn 1 million.

This tax change effects EVERYONE who has an income above £11850.

Nice sneaky edit there FMF

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	Jesus, this is a tough watch... If you are going to a parliamentary committee meeting you have to at least have SOMETHING up your sleeve to say. Rabbits caught in headlights. Toe-curling

The scariest thing I've seen in a long time - so leaving the UK totally open for illegal immigration (they are waiting in Calais ...) and for terrorism - just what people voted for, I am sure.

[Blueangel]

With news coming in that the UK is close to a deal regarding financial services, I decided to check the updates for the industry I know best...

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	IATA urges the UK and EU to put contingencies in place for air travel in case of a 'no deal Brexit' 2018-11-01 06:30 - Gabi Zietsman

https://www.traveller24.com/News/Fli...rexit-20181031

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	Plans to rescue Britons stranded abroad in 'no deal' Brexit flight disruption The government plans rescue flights to bring back stranded Britons amid fears that a 'no deal' Brexit could cause flight chaos.

https://news.sky.com/story/plans-to-...ption-11541160

Basel.... becomes ..... Dover?

https://www.facebook.com/20679409666...1648689424779/

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	Basel.... becomes ..... Dover? https://www.facebook.com/20679409666...1648689424779/

Well, Basel is full of Kentish people

And of course, whilst the country and the 'people' lose- some have been getting very rich - some even from the comfort of their safe tax haven ...

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/featu...beat-the-crash

Some hedge fund managers are even very closely linked to Ministers- one is even married to our PM- how is that for insider trading? 'oh Darling- this is what I am going to do or say tomorrow - do you think it is a good idea' wink wink - 'oh yes Darling, what a good idea' ...

[amogles]

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	Even Brexiters are moving their company OUT of the UK ... I am pretty sure that a very large % of those who voted for Brexit, did not do so to have the NHS run by the USA, dropping all animal welfare and standards to please the USA, and to lose their jobs - do you? I thought it was hugely part of 'taking back control' ... oh, and more money for NHS, and stopping those pesky furiners from taking the jobs ... Re International Haulage: Dr North is a long time campaigner for leaving the EU. His analyses of the effects of leaving with no deal (which he sees as increasingly likely) are at least informed by years of study . 'In my opinion, it makes sense to take a pessimistic view and then to double down on that to expect far worse than the high-level pundits are predicting. And the reason for this is that the trading infrastructure of the UK is far more fragile than we are led to believe, and far less capable of withstanding the shocks of a "no deal" Brexit than is generally assumed. Some clues to this come in a report which has received no media attention from Felixstowe-base hauliers James Kemball... Headed "UK Container Transport Crisis 2018", this points to a UK container transport industry currently at crisis point, evidenced in recent weeks with major disruption to supply chains during this year's peak season period The essential point here, from the Brexit perspective, is that many of the more optimistic pundits, confronted with warnings of disruption to the ro-ro traffic passing through the Dover-Calais route, argue that the slack can be picked up by other ports and, where there is a shortfall in ro-ro capacity, goods can be diverted into shipping containers and handled by the container ports.. But, even if swapping routes and transport modes is theoretically possible, the Kemball report suggests that an industry on the brink would not be able to cope with the additional traffic, on top of the disturbance and delays brought about by newly implemented border controls.,

Container traffic is for the most part very long haul, as in to and from destinations outside Europe typically involving a ship that either crosses an ocean or goes through the Suez Canal. Freight within Europe is mostly Euro-palette based, and due to incompatibilities in the dimensions, you can't put Euro-palettes into containers very well without wasting a lot of space. Maritime containers are not defined by Euro but by US dimensions. This is why most Euro-palette freight within Europe is taken on soft-body lorries. Such lorries are wider than maritime containers. Possible exceptions to the trend are fluid/tank containers as used by the chemicals industry. You don't see many containers on Ro-Ro because coastal container ships are cheaper, with maybe some special case exceptions.

Thus a slump in container traffic actually reflects a slump in trans-ocean trade and not necessarily in internal trade.

[marton]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	With news coming in that the UK is close to a deal regarding financial services, I decided to check the updates for the industry I know best... https://www.traveller24.com/News/Fli...rexit-20181031 https://news.sky.com/story/plans-to-...ption-11541160

According to the newspaers "The services deal would give UK companies access to European markets as long as British financial regulation remained broadly aligned with the EU's"

Will be a bonanza for the lawyers trying to agree and define what means "broadly aligned".