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View Poll Results: What would you personally prefer to happen?
I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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Old 01.11.2018, 15:10
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According to the newspaers "The services deal would give UK companies access to European markets as long as British financial regulation remained broadly aligned with the EU's"

Will be a bonanza for the lawyers trying to agree and define what means "broadly aligned".
Clearly that mewling gobshite, Jacob Rees Mogg, isn't taking any chances though, seeing as his investment firm already opened offices in Ireland so he can still take advantage of EU rules.

He's not the only gobby Brexiter to have positioned himself so he can still operate on EU terms.

The "do as I say, not as I do" elite.
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Old 01.11.2018, 15:33
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Arron Banks faces criminal investigation over Brexit campaign

The elections watchdog says there are "reasonable grounds" to suspect he was not the true source of £8m in loans.
https://news.sky.com/story/national-...banks-11541786

In any corporate proceedings, if such a case were to occur, and negotiations and pending contracts would be suspended until the outcome is known.
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Old 01.11.2018, 15:54
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Actually that article says 31% of the UK's lo-lo container traffic.
numbers for 2017:

Total Lo-Lo tonnage is 64 mio tonnes, whereas it is 100 mi tonnes for ro-ro cargo (weight of cargo, excluding carrying vehicles. Also excluding car and bus import and exports)

For Ro-Ro it is 99.5% with the EU.
All port traffic types: total tonnage is 55%, total traffic 71% with the EU.
UK exports more through its sea ports to the EU than it imports from the EU.

https://assets.publishing.service.go...stics-2017.pdf
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Old 01.11.2018, 17:49
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Actually that article says 31% of the UK's lo-lo container traffic.

That's not at all the same thing.
True. But it is exactly what you were talking about. Unless you also counted ro-ro in which case you were even more wrong.
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Old 01.11.2018, 18:18
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Looks like 'Fraud' is coming to roost - and they won't get away with it - good.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics...U1liUVXo2BoFT8

In Common Law, no Government or Prime Minister- can interfere or 'excuse/ignore' fraud.
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Old 01.11.2018, 18:43
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Looks like 'Fraud' is coming to roost - and they won't get away with it - good.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics...U1liUVXo2BoFT8

In Common Law, no Government or Prime Minister- can interfere or 'excuse/ignore' fraud.
I don't understand the reference to common-law me Ladyship, please explain how that can possibly be true.
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Old 01.11.2018, 18:54
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Lazarus estates versus Beasley (1956), 1 QB 702, 712:

'No judgement of a court, no order of a Minister, can be allowed to stand if it has been obtained by fraud. Fraud unravels everything' - well established in British Law.

Happy to oblige.

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Arron Banks faces Brexit referendum spending probe

""There is no evidence of any wrongdoing from the companies I own. I am a UK taxpayer and I have never received any foreign donations. The Electoral Commission has produced no evidence to the contrary," he added in a statement."

Interesting that he chooses to say "there is no evidence" rather than say that he hasn't broken the law.
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Old 02.11.2018, 02:45
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Interesting that [...] rather than say that he hasn't broken the law.
The law doesn't work that way, that's simply irrelevant.

It's up to the prosecution to prove that there was a crime, and that the defendant was the perpertrator (to the extent the prosecution claims), nothing else matters. At all.

As such it would be a mistake for the defendant to make any kind of claim to any end. At all! Once s/he does make such a claim, proving the defendant deviated from the truth would severely damage his/her credibility and thus their position altogether.
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Old 02.11.2018, 03:20
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I don't understand the reference to common-law me Ladyship, please explain how that can possibly be true.
Neither does she! It does not matter what the outcome is, constitutional law trumps common law every time. The Miller decision made it clear the actual decision to BREXIT rests with parliament not the people nor the government. So trying to over turn the people’s opinion poll does not lead to over turning the decision of the sovereign parliament.
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Old 02.11.2018, 11:35
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Rarely quote from the Mail, but this is becoming 'interesting':

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...RCtGhjSw0mXWK8

Wit such a tiny majortiy, so many BIG lies- as big as a bus ... if fraud is doubly proven (it already has been once) and the PM was involved in stifling justice- they will have not much of a foot to stand on - as the reality (S*it) hits the proverbial fan.
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Old 02.11.2018, 11:39
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Rarely quote from the Mail, but this is becoming 'interesting':

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...RCtGhjSw0mXWK8
Love the way the DM keeps referring to the National Crime Agency as "Britain's FBI".

I bet its journo was itching to write "the feds".
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Old 02.11.2018, 11:45
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Oh, and now Cameron is bored ...

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...z9S8yJjPEx9AoA
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Old 02.11.2018, 12:04
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Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

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Lazarus estates versus Beasley (1956), 1 QB 702, 712:

'No judgement of a court, no order of a Minister, can be allowed to stand if it has been obtained by fraud. Fraud unravels everything' - well established in British Law.

Happy to oblige.
No you have not obliged in any way or stated how it's relevant.
You have, you clearly don't understand what case law is all about, it's not the same as codified law so irrelevant in every day life.
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Old 02.11.2018, 12:08
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No you have not obliged in any way or stated how it's relevant.
You have, you clearly don't understand what case law is all about, it's not the same as codified law so irrelevant in every day life.
Semantics aside, I'd be surprised if there is not some legal backlash affecting the continuity of Brexit whilst there is an active fraud case underway with a direct implication to the referendum.
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The law doesn't work that way, that's simply irrelevant.

It's up to the prosecution to prove that there was a crime, and that the defendant was the perpertrator (to the extent the prosecution claims), nothing else matters. At all.

As such it would be a mistake for the defendant to make any kind of claim to any end. At all! Once s/he does make such a claim, proving the defendant deviated from the truth would severely damage his/her credibility and thus their position altogether.
'Beyond reasonable doubt' is the sticking point, having been the Forman of 2 juries, the accused likely were guilty but the police clearly lied in both cases leaving reasonable doubt & both were found not guilty.
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Semantics aside, I'd be surprised if there is not some legal backlash affecting the continuity of Brexit whilst there is an active fraud case underway with a direct implication to the referendum.

Exactly - this.

And its getting more and more interesting about this guy

https://www.channel4.com/news/diamon...X7Abp9ALOit84g
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Getting David Cameron back. That's going to save the country is it? That's like asking Mark Chapman to coax another album out of John Lennon.

You could write a list of Camerons successes as PM on the back of a hummingbirds eyelids. And still have room to draw a fecked pig.
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Isn't there a tiny uninhabited island somewhere where we could send Cameron and Blair?

They could busy themselves with developing effective immigrant policies and do some tidal research with sticks.. and we could send Farage along to cheer them up if they get bored.
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Isn't there a tiny uninhabited island somewhere where we could send Cameron and Blair?

They could busy themselves with developing effective immigrant policies and do some tidal research with sticks.. and we could send Farage along to cheer them up if they get bored.
Latecomers to I'm A Celebrity? That would be one not to miss.

Cameron did say he was piss-bored. Maybe munching kangeroo testicles will scratch that itch...
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