The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

	Quote:	Blueangel
	Back in 2015/2016, it was a toss up who would leave first, the UK or the Netherlands. If anyone was going to leave, I sincerely wanted it to be the Dutch so that everyone could learn from their mistakes along the way. https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ign-referendum

There never was a toss up about that, in the Netherlands it never was a serious question as for if we would leave or not, majority of population and majority of politicians are pro EU so even if the question would become serious it would stand no chance. What makes you think otherwise.

	Quote:	Blueangel
	You know full well that's not all it was about. You know full well that Wilders wanted the Netherlands to leave the EU. You will also know full well that the Netherlandscurrent stance on advisory referendums. https://www.ft.com/content/06166110-...a-4574d7dabfb6

Than you should also know that the referendum itself had nothing to do with the Netherlands leaving or not. The referendum could change nothing on the Netherlands being a member or not since A: it was not part of the question. B: It had no power. People making the discussion wider does change nothing on that.

Also Yeah, Wilders wants out of the EU so what? He is only backed-up by a minority and had nothing to do with the Referendum itself besides him being one of the many parties who made their opinion clear.

The referendum also clearly showed the state of the Dutch politics, party's who said they would bind themselves to the outcome said later when they found out it was not the answer they wanted "The people did not vote for what they actually wanted" "people did not understand this" and other one-liners that spat us in the face. And they cancelled even the advisory referendum after they learned that the population does not always agree with them and that it might hurt politically if this is shown with hard numbers.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	marton
	Source Realpolitik in action! The Army and Air force (but not the Navy) have to swear an oath of allegiance to the Queen, wonder how that will work? Will the recruits be given a fast path to citizenship?

The Navy don't need to swear allegiance because they're the Senior Service, formed by Elizabeth I, so their allegiance is never questioned. They're not maintained under an Act of Parliament but by the royal prerogative. Source: ex-boyfriend who is Royal Navy Fleet Air Arm, currently trains recruits, and is also the most royalist person I've ever met (but he was fit as a butcher's dog so I could forgive him anything ).

Since 2000, over 20,000 armed forces personnel have been cut, which in view of this new proposal, highlights the short sightedness of those decisions. https://www.theguardian.com/news/dat...ersonnel-total

Navy personal only signs an attestation or engagement form.

[John William]

Channel 4 - Tonight at 9pm, Brexit: What the Nation Really thinks

As the Prime Minster tries to deliver a Brexit that works for the country as whole,
this programme reveals what the British people think of the likely deal on offer.

Channel 4 commissioned the largest independent survey of attitudes across the
whole of the UK conducted since the referendum, asking 20,000 people drawn from
every UK constituency for their views, and put the results to politicians and those
who stand to gain, or lose, most from the outcome; all before a live studio
audience.

[John William]

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	Wow mercenaries - the Swiss will be top of the list again, then.

True - just consider how many hundreds of years service they have done for the Vatican already !!

[marton]

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	THE EUROPEAN Union could introduce outrageous visa costs of £52.60 for British holidaymakers hoping to travel to Europe in the event of a no-deal Brexit as the final stage of negotiations looms.

Source

"could" LOL!

	Quote:	marton
	Source "could" LOL!

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	The Office for National Statistics (ONS) revealed Brits took a staggering 46.5 million overseas holidays in 2017, with three-quarters of these being to EU nations. But research by the World Travel Market (WTM) revealed 58 percent of Britons would consider an alternative destination outside the bitter bloc if they were forced to pay extra.

If all those Britons for one yr would spend their holidays inside the country that would give such an economy boost that they all can laugh at the EU and likely can show the best numbers of 'm all.

(not happening tho )

See you in Skeggy then (not)...

[Medea Fleecestealer]

Okay, who's got the explosives. Remember, remember the 5th of November.

Happy Guy Fawkes night folks.

Won't share, as it is just too sick and made me cry for my beloved Great Britain.

A video of ult-right racists today, burning an effigy of Grenfell Tower with brown faces shouting for help from the windows - and the crowd, including women, shouting abuse and laughing as people burn and fall (from the Independent) - beyond sick and sad. How can people have fallen so low - words fail me.

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	Won't share, as it is just too sick and made me cry for my beloved Great Britain. A video of ult-right racists today, burning an effigy of Grenfell Tower with brown faces shouting for help from the windows - and the crowd, including women, shouting abuse and laughing as people burn and fall (from the Independent) - beyond sick and sad. How can people have fallen so low - words fail me.

What does this have to do with Brexit?

Plenty, tragically.

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	Plenty, tragically.

So nothing then.

Did the Brexiteers cause climate change?

	Quote:	k_and_e
	Did the Brexiteers cause climate change?

Yes. And they shot Kennedy, destroyed the Parthenon and burned the library at Alexandria.

Racists, the lot of them!

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	Yes. And they shot Kennedy, destroyed the Parthenon and burned the library at Alexandria. Racists, the lot of them!

I knew it!

[Blueangel]

54% Remain 46% Leave. Bloody knew it!

https://www.channel4.com/news/major-...towards-remain

[Medea Fleecestealer]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	54% Remain 46% Leave. Bloody knew it! https://www.channel4.com/news/major-...towards-remain

Yeah, and we all know how accurate the previous Brexit polls were.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	54% Remain 46% Leave. Bloody knew it! https://www.channel4.com/news/major-...towards-remain

How strange, thats about the predicted result from polls before the referendum. Looks like nothing changed at all & certainly nothing like a super majority