The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[dawiz]

Consequences for the Brits in CH: that's a relatively easy one. A majority of Swiss (including pro-EU voters) believe that there's too much immigration here. While for many, the bilateral treaties with the EU are a necessary evil, countries outside the EU are an entirely different matter. As soon as the UK leaves the EU, you'll be on the same level as immigrants from India, Albania, or any other non-EU country. This means it'll get a lot harder to get in, but it also means it'll be a lot harder to stay, switch jobs etc.

Of course, there is the possibility of reaching bilateral treaties which involve the freedom of movement - but I doubt these are on the horizon as Switzerland will go to great lengths to avoid immigration it doesn't actually have to accept. Brits have historically been important in the banking sector. If you leave the EU, the UK would lose its importance for Switzerland in this area as Switzerland will need to look for another port of entry into the EU.

Another few things I'd predict: being able to decide about immigration into the UK would probably not be an improvement - either you can achieve economic growth, which will require more people to come in (just like in Switzerland) or your economy collapses, meaning that immigration would be less but the general population wouldn't be any better off.

Believing that you'll be able decide on your own if you're outside the EU is an illusion, as you can see in Switzerland. You'll be equally dependent on the EU as now, with the difference that you aren't represented in Brussels anymore and will have to switch to adopting everything the EU throws at you without being able to do anything about it.

I'd lie if I said I'm happy about mass immigration - I live in an area of the country where I'm a minority as a Swiss citizen. But I have little sympathy for those voting for leaving the EU, especially those who currently live in Switzerland. You're essentially here because Britain's in the EU. Voting no is voting against your current privileges.

[Odile]

Sadiq has been amazing, and Boris has not answered a single question- surprise.

[Belgianmum]

I'm watching. Boris had quite a bit to say just now, whether it actually made any sense or not is a different matter.

[Odile]

Ruth is pretty impressive too.

[Mikers]

Boris has been pretty impressive. Khan and the Scottish woman have been hopeless.

[Stendec]

"Independence Day". Very clever - such emotional appeal...

[TobiasM]

	Quote:	Mikers
	Boris has been pretty impressive. Khan and the Scottish woman have been hopeless.

Were we watching the same debate? Or is it just a case of hearing what you want to hear? Vote IN

[TobiasM]

The new theme tune for the whole shebang!

[marton]

	Quote:	FuriousRose
	Ah George Soros! You'd think that this would not have happened, had he not said (read: speculated) it. Look what happened in the Asian Financial Crisis in 1997

George has a few billion more than you or me so I respect his opinion.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	dawiz
	Consequences for the Brits in CH: that's a relatively easy one. A majority of Swiss (including pro-EU voters) believe that there's too much immigration here. While for many, the bilateral treaties with the EU are a necessary evil, countries outside the EU are an entirely different matter. As soon as the UK leaves the EU, you'll be on the same level as immigrants from India, Albania, or any other non-EU country. This means it'll get a lot harder to get in, but it also means it'll be a lot harder to stay, switch jobs etc. Of course, there is the possibility of reaching bilateral treaties which involve the freedom of movement - but I doubt these are on the horizon as Switzerland will go to great lengths to avoid immigration it doesn't actually have to accept. Brits have historically been important in the banking sector. If you leave the EU, the UK would lose its importance for Switzerland in this area as Switzerland will need to look for another port of entry into the EU. Another few things I'd predict: being able to decide about immigration into the UK would probably not be an improvement - either you can achieve economic growth, which will require more people to come in (just like in Switzerland) or your economy collapses, meaning that immigration would be less but the general population wouldn't be any better off. Believing that you'll be able decide on your own if you're outside the EU is an illusion, as you can see in Switzerland. You'll be equally dependent on the EU as now, with the difference that you aren't represented in Brussels anymore and will have to switch to adopting everything the EU throws at you without being able to do anything about it. I'd lie if I said I'm happy about mass immigration - I live in an area of the country where I'm a minority as a Swiss citizen. But I have little sympathy for those voting for leaving the EU, especially those who currently live in Switzerland. You're essentially here because Britain's in the EU. Voting no is voting against your current privileges.

Perhaps you never new, the British invented downhill skiing............ The Swiss are very aware of this, 20 years ago British citizens got C permits after 5 years, most countries had to wait 10 years.
Britain always had privileges ..........


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[jacek]

Now, the fear of Brexit with its far fetched consequences might have impact on emerging markets as well as on investors moods who may panic ...

http://www.fin24.com/Economy/brexit-...621?isapp=true

http://www.fin24.com/Markets/Equitie...621?isapp=true

	Quote:	marton
	George has a few billion more than you or me so I respect his opinion.

This guy is an investor and cares more about his money than what happens to UK or Brits.

He made billions betting against UK on the Exchange Rate Mechanism and you'd be naive thinking he has best interest at heart for UK or Brits.

When business and investors support remain, they are actually supporting their financial positions and not what happens to UK or Brits.

[Phil_MCR]

What do you think of this:

https://savebritishjustice.wordpress.com/

https://www.bigbrotherwatch.org.uk/f...rBurns_EAW.pdf

http://www.tfa.net/wp-content/upload...er-QC.7.10.pdf

[UKSWISS]

Biggest problem for some people is the migration which hit a record 333,000 in 2015...but that people don't know that more then 50% of that migrants are coming from outside the EU. So in my opinion Brexit will not stop at any point the migration towards the UK, the only think will stop them, will be the recession coming after the Brexit...

[Castro]

	Quote:	UKSWISS
	Biggest problem for some people is the migration which hit a record 333,000 in 2015...but that people don't know that more then 50% of that migrants are coming from outside the EU. So in my opinion Brexit will not stop at any point the migration towards the UK, the only think will stop them, will be the recession coming after the Brexit...

What is also true is that non EU immigration has become a lot tougher, with more hurdles and delays. I have two British born friends who married overseas and have had an uphill struggle bringing their spouses over, with documented delays at the UK Border Agency of over a year for both of them.

[Sbrinz]

Ruth Davidson MSP and Sadiq Khan took Boris down and proved his outbursts were lies. Wonderful TV. It came late in the day, but at least now the Remain camp have the satisfaction of a clear intelligent and factual win.

The Leave people were again just spouting slogans that appeal to the masses, shame on them! The Conservative woman claimed that 80% of new GB laws come from the EU: when told the House of Commons library reported there was 12% in 2015 and this year just 4 new bills from the EU she remained silent. How can people lie like that on national TV? Disgusting!

[Mikers]

Both sides lied profusely. It was no different to the whole campaign. I felt annoyed at the end of it, which is a fitting summary of the whole thing.

[Sbrinz]

	Quote:	Mikers
	Both sides lied profusely. It was no different to the whole campaign. I felt annoyed at the end of it, which is a fitting summary of the whole thing.

Can you give concrete examples please? I did, so why can't you?

[k_and_e]

	Quote:	Sbrinz
	Can you give concrete examples please? I did, so why can't you?

i haven't seen the debate but any positive example about EU democracy, a stable financial system or successful handling of mass-migration could be considered as a lie.

[Sbrinz]

Yes, there were a couple of moans about unelected governing officials sitting in Brussels. But the British population seem to forget the unelected governing officials sitting in the House of Lords, and there are more lords than EU officials!