The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH - Page 733

fatmanfilms · #**14641** 09.11.2018, 14:24

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	They don't actually need any help to look bad. They either need a reality check combined with a realistic view of the future or a sh*t-hot PR company to teach them not to sound so idiotic. Bumbling along as they do with various back-of-a-fag-packet solutions does not need much from the general public to show them up as ridiculous. Yes, by all means get someone into the job that is capable of solving the problems or able to work cross-party to engineer solutions but up to now this hasn't been the case. At the moment there is no "collective support" because there is no solution to support.

Sounds like it's going to be a Hard BREXIT then.

Blueangel · #**14642** 09.11.2018, 14:39

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	At the moment there is no "collective support" because there is no solution to support.

For this late in the day, it's still all too vague and wishy washy.

#**14643** 09.11.2018, 16:10

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Sounds like it's going to be a Hard BREXIT then.

Hold on to your knicker elastics - it could go totally the opposite way ...

fatmanfilms · #**14644** 09.11.2018, 16:24

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	Hold on to your knicker elastics - it could go totally the opposite way ...

Don't worry it won't

#**14645** 09.11.2018, 16:27

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Don't worry it won't

I'd have agreed with you if the result of the referendum had had a bigger majority but it was for all intents and purposes evenly split.

Of the leave voters, you have to reckon with a % of them NOT wanting a hard Brexit, too.

The government has to tread carefully with this because if they get it wrong, it's the end of the line for them at the next GE.

John William · #**14646** 09.11.2018, 17:39

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	I'd have agreed with you if the result of the referendum had had a bigger majority but it was for all intents and purposes evenly split. Of the leave voters, you have to reckon with a % of them NOT wanting a hard Brexit, too. The government has to tread carefully with this because if they get it wrong, it's the end of the line for them at the next GE.

As far as I'm concerned it's the end of the line for them now !!
What with two years of unimaginable incompetence since the referendum on the EU and not a decent
worthy politician amongst them.

#**14647** 09.11.2018, 18:58

Jo Johnson has resigned as Transport Secretary because Brexit is an utter mess- saying it has divided the Country, and families. Ah well, at least he will have his sister to spend Christmas with.

Later edit - ah, perhaps not!!! Having listened to his resignation speech.

#**14648** 09.11.2018, 19:07

	Quote:	John William
	As far as I'm concerned it's the end of the line for them now !! What with two years of unimaginable incompetence since the referendum on the EU and not a decent worthy politician amongst them.

So what did you do to make the Brexit a success?
After all, the question is not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country.

#**14649** 09.11.2018, 19:47

	Quote:	k_and_e
	So what did you do to make the Brexit a success? After all, the question is not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country.

Exactly what do you think can be done by Joe Public apart from dumbly nodding at all the slurry coming out of Parliament? Genuinely interested to hear what you think pro Brexit man-on-the-street is doing that makes a gram of a difference.

Vague recycled war-time quotes?

#**14650** 09.11.2018, 20:16

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	Vague recycled war-time quotes?

well, it's Friday after all.

Jim2007 · #**14651** 09.11.2018, 21:52

	Quote:	k_and_e
	So what did you do to make the Brexit a success? After all, the question is not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country.

Why would you expect them to do anything short of trying to prevent it, if they believe it is not in the best interests of their country?

John William · #**14652** 09.11.2018, 23:31

	Quote:	k_and_e
	So what did you do to make the Brexit a success? After all, the question is not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country.

I don't know where you got the impression - I'm a Brexiteer ?? - I voted Remain and therefore
not a party to this travesty !!

#**14653** 10.11.2018, 00:06

	Quote:	John William
	I don't know where you got the impression - I'm a Brexiteer ?? - I voted Remain and therefore not a party to this travesty !!

I didn't mean that you are a Brexiteer.

If you are a UK national, then your country plans to leave the EU - regardless if you are a Brexiteer or not. The most sensible thing to do would be not to live in denial but do everything to make sure that your country gets the best deal.

Or am I too pragmatic?

John William · #**14654** 10.11.2018, 00:16

	Quote:	k_and_e
	I didn't mean that you are a Brexiteer. If you are a UK national, then your country plans to leave the EU - regardless if you are a Brexiteer or not. The most sensible thing to do would be not to live in denial but do everything to make sure that your country gets the best deal. Or am I too pragmatic?

Yes I love my country and in the best interests of the UK and her economic future
as well as the future prospects of Britain's millennial generation . . . . . . .

The answer is simple - Britain must revoke Article 50 and resume her place in the EU.
Remaining a member of the EU would be the very best deal you can get, its a known
factor after all !!

Now what do I need to clarify when the best deal is mentioned above !!

Also who's living in denial ? - are the Scots living in denial over any prospect of an Independent
Scotland - No !! - Fact is the UK is the worst offender for 2nd Referendums - there wouldn't
be a Scottish parliament sitting in Edinburgh today, if it wasn't for 2nd Referendums on
Devolution and the vote wasn't decisive enough to say, the Scots don't want Devolution
for Scotland.

#**14655** 10.11.2018, 00:19

	Quote:	k_and_e
	I didn't mean that you are a Brexiteer. If you are a UK national, then your country plans to leave the EU - regardless if you are a Brexiteer or not. The most sensible thing to do would be not to live in denial but do everything to make sure that your country gets the best deal. Or am I too pragmatic?

You still haven't clarified HOW the average Joe is meant to "get the best deal for the country"?

Release a charity Brexit single in time for Christmas? Dig for post-Brexit Britain? Resurrect Alf Garnet? What?

I think pragmatic is the wrong word - romantic maybe?

marton · #**14656** 10.11.2018, 00:35

	Quote:	Urs Max
	The UK is part of Galileo thanks to its EU membership. Like many other organisations, leaving the EU without follow-up agreement means leaving Galileo. It's the UK's choice to have a hard Brexit. Actions have consequences and this is one of them. You are of course free to keep blaming the EU, just know that repeating a nonsensical statement doesn't make any more true.

Looks like UK technology will make Galileo obsolete in the future
https://www.uktech.news/news/quantum...-past-20181109

marton · #**14657** 10.11.2018, 00:36

	Quote:	k_and_e
	I didn't mean that you are a Brexiteer. If you are a UK national, then your country plans to leave the EU - regardless if you are a Brexiteer or not. The most sensible thing to do would be not to live in denial but do everything to make sure that your country gets the best deal. Or am I too pragmatic?

No jingoistic

Jim2007 · #**14658** 10.11.2018, 02:30

	Quote:	k_and_e
	I didn't mean that you are a Brexiteer. If you are a UK national, then your country plans to leave the EU - regardless if you are a Brexiteer or not. The most sensible thing to do would be not to live in denial but do everything to make sure that your country gets the best deal. Or am I too pragmatic?

No prejudiced is the word you are looking for. Ironically unless the ECJ rules otherwise, reversal of A50 is still a valid option and for many is seen as the best option for their country right now.

greenmount · #**14659** 10.11.2018, 09:39

	Quote:	k_and_e
	I didn't mean that you are a Brexiteer. If you are a UK national, then your country plans to leave the EU - regardless if you are a Brexiteer or not. The most sensible thing to do would be not to live in denial but do everything to make sure that your country gets the best deal. Or am I too pragmatic?

No, you're trying to bring back the collectivist vs. individualist way of thinking. Somebody adhering to the latter, which is actually the mind frame of the Western world, would not actively support anything that contradicts their own principles and interests, not even for the greater good.

Or, you're just taking the piss.

#**14660** 10.11.2018, 11:04

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	You still haven't clarified HOW the average Joe is meant to "get the best deal for the country"? Release a charity Brexit single in time for Christmas? Dig for post-Brexit Britain? Resurrect Alf Garnet? What? I think pragmatic is the wrong word - romantic maybe?

You can't get behind a Governement who does not know what they want, and are totally divided on how to go forwards. You can't get behind a Government fightint the best deal that does not exist - and when no deal can never be as good as the deal we have now. If you truly feel, backed with evidence from many sides, that what your Governement is doing will be massively damaging for the country-you have to do everything you can to stop it. Even and more importantly, when it is clear that the the poorest in society who were lied to hugely to push them to vote for what will literally make them even much worse off- then you have to fight.