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I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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It comes to something when the argument for Brexit gets so far backed into a corner that disproportionate importance is placed on basically a few coppers of difference in fresh vs convenience food.

Seems to be as an appropriate metaphor as any at this stage.
It just further embellishes how out of touch some people are, when they even think people on the poverty line would consider buying a fresh chicken or convenience food. If it's not on the discount shelf or damaged, it doesn't go in your basket. If it's not on BOGOF, it doesn't go in your basket. And if you really want chicken, you make a trip to Morrisons 45-30 mins before they close for the day. Everyone on a budget knows that!
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It just further embellishes how out of touch some people are, when they even think people on the poverty line would consider buying a fresh chicken or convenience food. If it's not on the discount shelf or damaged, it doesn't go in your basket. If it's not on BOGOF, it doesn't go in your basket. And if you really want chicken, you make a trip to Morrisons 45-30 mins before they close for the day. Everyone on a budget knows that!
Sainsbury's also reduces short dated stock, that £2.75 chicken will seem like a real bargain. M&S used to just throw their old food stock at closing times, hardly surprising people were waiting, no doubt pesky EU H&S laws prevents this today.

I have established that a fresh meal with meat can be produced for £1 per head per meal, therefore a minimum pay worker could feed his family of 4 on two meals a day for just over 1 hours work a day. Hardly surprising that over 50% of the poor can afford to own, insure & tax cars.
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M&S used to just throw their old food stock at closing times, hardly surprising people were waiting, no doubt pesky EU H&S laws prevents this today.
Or the Food Safety Act (1990) and The Food Safety and Hygiene (England) Regulations 2013.

Funnily enough France has a law forcing supermarkets to donate food so that it isn't wasted.

More fun to blindly blame the EU though, innit. Brexit in a nutshell.
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I've just been FB "unfriended" by a former school colleague who was a hardened Brexiteer in the run up to Brexit ("we're overrun by immigrunts, I tells ya!!"). Went quiet for a few months then started sharing "Peoples Vote - demand a second vote!" posts. FFS...

I innocently pointed out that perhaps he should have thought about that before voting to Leave, aaaannnnddd... PUFFF! Game over.
How magnanimous of you. Surely the correct response would have been, “how brave of you to admit you were wrong first time around”?

Even if there would be second vote, it’s comments like this that prove that this damage isn’t goimg away anytime soon.
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Old 11.11.2018, 16:29
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Sainsbury's also reduces short dated stock, that £2.75 chicken will seem like a real bargain. M&S used to just throw their old food stock at closing times, hardly surprising people were waiting, no doubt pesky EU H&S laws prevents this today.

I have established that a fresh meal with meat can be produced for £1 per head per meal, therefore a minimum pay worker could feed his family of 4 on two meals a day for just over 1 hours work a day. Hardly surprising that over 50% of the poor can afford to own, insure & tax cars.
Again - what does this have to do with Brexit? You are using some irrelevant information about cheap internet chickens as some justification for leaving the EU.

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How magnanimous of you. Surely the correct response would have been, “how brave of you to admit you were wrong first time around”?

Even if there would be second vote, it’s comments like this that prove that this damage isn’t goimg away anytime soon.
What's magnanimous got to do with it? The guy spent six months sharing Britain First and EDL guff, voted Brexit, apparently regretted it, and started sharing Peoples Vote guff. Typing “how brave of you to admit you were wrong first time around” as a comment on his FB share sounds unbelievably Alan-Partridge-level patronising and a tiny bit wanky. Seriously, is that what you would have written..?
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Again - what does this have to do with Brexit? You are using some irrelevant information about cheap internet chickens as some justification for leaving the EU.

What's magnanimous got to do with it? The guy spent six months sharing Britain First and EDL guff, voted Brexit, apparently regretted it, and started sharing Peoples Vote guff. Typing “how brave of you to admit you were wrong first time around” as a comment on his FB share sounds unbelievably Alan-Partridge-level patronising and a tiny bit wanky. Seriously, is that what you would have written..?

Maybe he's auditioning for One Flew Over the Chicken Coop ?
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How magnanimous of you. Surely the correct response would have been, “how brave of you to admit you were wrong first time around”?

Even if there would be second vote, it’s comments like this that prove that this damage isn’t goimg away anytime soon.
The funny thing with many Brexiteers is that they're still banging on about "Don't call us stupid! Don't call the people stupid!" whilst also making the point that "There could never be a second referendum because the question on the ballot paper would be too complicated". It's multi-level irony.
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What's magnanimous got to do with it? The guy spent six months sharing Britain First and EDL guff, voted Brexit, apparently regretted it, and started sharing Peoples Vote guff. Typing “how brave of you to admit you were wrong first time around” as a comment on his FB share sounds unbelievably Alan-Partridge-level patronising and a tiny bit wanky. Seriously, is that what you would have written..?
No, because I don’t agree with holding a second vote until the outcome of the first vote has been carried out. In your position I probably would have written it, either that or said nothing.

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The funny thing with many Brexiteers is that they're still banging on about "Don't call us stupid! Don't call the people stupid!" whilst also making the point that "There could never be a second referendum because the question on the ballot paper would be too complicated". It's multi-level irony.
It wouldn’t be too complicated, it’d just split the leave vote so the U.K. would end up staying in the EU.

My point with Sandgrounder is how are you supposed to repair the divide and move on if you keep rubbing into people’s faces? You should be happy for examples like this as it shows, on a very small scale that you’ve won the argument. Someone who voted leave now wants a second vote, isn’t that a victory?
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Old 11.11.2018, 20:57
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No, because I don’t agree with holding a second vote until the outcome of the first vote has been carried out. In your position I probably would have written it, either that or said nothing.
It's actually nothing to do with whether you agree or disagree with Leaving or Remaining, or even a second vote.

The point is that it's just a single example of what happens when people are faced with a fuller range of facts and reality.


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My point with Sandgrounder is how are you supposed to repair the divide and move on if you keep rubbing into people’s faces? You should be happy for examples like this as it shows, on a very small scale that you’ve won the argument. Someone who voted leave now wants a second vote, isn’t that a victory?
Nobody has won. Nobody is "rubbing into faces".

A second vote is pointless and I'm not really sure why Brexiters keep bleating on about it. I think you are confusing it with a move to get a public say on the final deal.
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Old 11.11.2018, 21:09
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I would still like to see the injunction that prevented the media from reporting that he'd left his German wife and kids long before the referendum, and was shacked up with the far right French politician, Laure Ferrari. It looks as if only a second scorned mistress is willing to spill the beans on the sordid little man.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8063411.html
Yes, he is what he is. I despise the guy but I have to give him some credit - he was chosen to do the "dirty job" of getting GB out of EU and if you payed attention, he never pretended anything else but to do that. I've watched a few interviews with him where he's obviously lying and exaggerating, and bluffing because he knows nobody around made their homework so whatever he says it will go down well with most of the public, and he has that air as if thinking "you know who I am and what I'm doing here, you just pretend that you don't".
Cannot say the theatre of others was less disingenous than this.....for those who payed attention.

He's unscrupulous in politics, unscrupulous in private life. Exactly what I really expected from him...but I do wonder how comes so many women want him? I don't want to nauseate you even more but he must have some other qualities... women are literally queueing for him, who would have thought.
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My point with Sandgrounder is how are you supposed to repair the divide and move on if you keep rubbing into people’s faces? You should be happy for examples like this as it shows, on a very small scale that you’ve won the argument. Someone who voted leave now wants a second vote, isn’t that a victory?
No.

When the stakes are so damned high, there's no glory at all in being able to say "I told you so." None whatsoever. If anything, it's depressing.

I didn't lose any friends over Brexit, but I lost one over Corbyn. I hate seeing people I genuinely care for so disheartened by a person or process that they put so much faith in.

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We'll have to disagree there.

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He's been on the political scene for 25yrs, and I've paid attention throughout. For the majority of that time, he was on the fringes of politics, derided by many. It wasn't until there was a widening schism within the Conservative party that he gained traction. The only 'qualties' I see in him are that he's a dirty, nasty, lying, little nugget racist with a particular distaste for Eastern Europeans, and I'm being ridiculously polite there.
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Whatever we all think of Brexit, this is what's actually happening...
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Hopes fading for an EU sign off this month amid fierce resistance to the PM’s proposals in her cabinet and in Brussels
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8628926.html

It's a weird, frustrating sensation to see people in the know on all sides, rejecting a proposed deal to such a degree, whilst the rest of Parliament and the country are being mostly kept in the dark.
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For the majority of that time, he was on the fringes of politics, derided by many. [U]It wasn't until there was a widening schism within the Conservative party that he gained traction..
Exactly. My point in a previous point.

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The only 'qualties' I see in him are that he's a dirty, nasty, lying, little nugget racist with a particular distaste for Eastern Europeans, and I'm being ridiculously polite there.
Yes he is, and he never pretended to be anything else other than that. Do I like him? As I said, I despise the guy. Actually I have to try hard to have that feeling these days, as the guy is a total rat and so low on every level, I just can't. He's nothing, he amuses me. (the way you watch images with Hitler and think he was just a demented clown that many people took very seriously....how could that even happen?) But for some reason it was his moment of glory because everyone else was too busy with something else, too divided and hesitant. They would have had real, serious arguments in their favour, yet they failed to put up a serious fight. When they woke up, it was all too late. I've read of people who voted for Brexit for the lols just because they thought it would never happen anyway.....seriously? If we want to find someone to hate, probably he's the guy, he deserves it. Useful, or even remotely compensatory or satisfactory these days, when all the damages have been done? Nah, I don't think so. He'll go down in a very undignified manner, as all those clowns went down...I can't be bothered to wish him anything else other than that.
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No, because I don’t agree with holding a second vote until the outcome of the first vote has been carried out. In your position I probably would have written it, either that or said nothing.
Continuing with something that is clearly not in the best interests of the country is just plain dumb. There is no way back from BREXIT no matter how bad it turns out to be. After the 29 of March, the UK would have to reapply for membership, accept all the terms including the EURO and France, Denmark and Ireland would need to hold referenda on their application.

Suggesting the country should jump of the cliff and then try to climb back up is just plain dumb, nothing else.
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Continuing with something that is clearly not in the best interests of the country is just plain dumb. There is no way back from BREXIT no matter how bad it turns out to be. After the 29 of March, the UK would have to reapply for membership, accept all the terms including the EURO and France, Denmark and Ireland would need to hold referenda on their application.

Suggesting the country should jump of the cliff and then try to climb back up is just plain dumb, nothing else.
Remind me again who changed their minds over the Treaty of Nice, and the Treaty of Lisbon?
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Remind me again who changed their minds over the Treaty of Nice, and the Treaty of Lisbon?
...and what is the problem with that? The Lisbon vote changed due to a combination of certain assurances being given to the Irish government plus an electorate mature enough to think about the consequences of the initial rejection. Given that the rejection was relatively close (47:53) and the approval decisive (67:33) seems to me to have been a valid process. Similar story with Nice.

All in all a very strong justification for the UK to have a fresh referendum on the EU.
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Well done Dr Clarke:

https://inktank.fi/doctor-shreds-nig...rexit-warning/
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Is that one of those joke websites?

Most of the stories on it are hilarious!

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Is that one of those joke websites?

Most of the stories on it are hilarious!

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Indeed it is
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Indeed it is
No, it isn't. You can search for it yourself... https://twitter.com/doctor_oxford?re...Ctwgr%5Eauthor
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