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View Poll Results: What would you personally prefer to happen?
I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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Old 13.11.2018, 14:31
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I'd better just check the shower to see if Bobby Ewing's in there. It's one of 'those' (wish I still smoked weed) moments.
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Old 13.11.2018, 15:33
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Indeed time will tell, can't wait till after BREXIT.
Neither can I, bring it on!
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Old 13.11.2018, 16:14
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Indeed time will tell, can't wait till after BREXIT.
What has Brexit remotely got to do with it? You claimed it was the case now. Totally untrue hence as I stated earlier you simply made it up because it made a nice anti-EU soundbite.

Except it is a complete lie.

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...M&S used to just throw their old food stock at closing times, hardly surprising people were waiting, no doubt pesky EU H&S laws prevents this today...
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Old 13.11.2018, 17:52
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What has Brexit remotely got to do with it? You claimed it was the case now. Totally untrue hence as I stated earlier you simply made it up because it made a nice anti-EU soundbite.

Except it is a complete lie.
I claimed that M&S used to throw food away, M&S was my closest food store when I lived in London 25 years ago, not sure where I claimed it was the case now. You even quoted me so you would be the one lying.

And nobody has bothered to mention that UK passport holders will have visa free travel in the event of no deal.
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And nobody has bothered to mention that UK passport holders will have visa free travel in the event of no deal.
Really? Because as late as September, nobody knew for sure. Do you have a link to a definitive decision?
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I claimed that M&S used to throw food away, M&S was my closest food store when I lived in London 25 years ago, not sure where I claimed it was the case now. You even quoted me so you would be the one lying.
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...no doubt pesky EU H&S laws prevents this today...
FACT CHECK: UNTRUE
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And nobody has bothered to mention that UK passport holders will have visa free travel in the event of no deal.
What about, what about, whataboutery.
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Old 13.11.2018, 18:38
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FACT CHECK: UNTRUE
What about, what about, whataboutery.
I said no doubt, I did not claim as a fact, but lets not get detail in the way of a good story.
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Old 13.11.2018, 18:49
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Really? Because as late as September, nobody knew for sure. Do you have a link to a definitive decision?
Yes perhaps in link with Schengen rules provided the UK reciprocate

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The EU has ratcheted up the pressure on Theresa May by publishing a fresh batch of no-deal plans including the warning that it will only allow UK nationals to make short visa-free visits to EU destinations if the policy is reciprocated by the British government.
No border with ROI, Schengen style control else where, the border control thingy starting to look a bit silly as a justification for exiting!

Irish papers are now reporting agreement on the text of a stable backstop agreement - all of UK to stay in a customs union, what ever stable backstop means. BREXIT DUP style then....
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I said no doubt, I did not claim as a fact, but lets not get detail in the way of a good story.
No doubt literally means "I am 100% sure", so you were presenting it as a fact, but let's not let semantics get in the way of a good attempt at evasion.
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I claimed that M&S used to throw food away, M&S was my closest food store when I lived in London 25 years ago, not sure where I claimed it was the case now. You even quoted me so you would be the one lying.

And nobody has bothered to mention that UK passport holders will have visa free travel in the event of no deal.
No just a tad inconvenient or more for British tourists motoring down to the Costa's in Spain,
who will have to get two ( yes you heard me right ) two International Driving Permits from the
British Post Office, for a 1968 IDP agreement permit to go with their British driving license; in
order to drive through France ( after crossing the channel ) and then when they cross the
Pyrenees into Spain - they had better be sure they have their 1949 IDP agreement permit
available to show to the Guardia Civil Traffico, when they produce their British driving license
when quizzed by the Police in Spain - which will all come to pass in the event of a Hard
Brexit !!

Just think it's going to cost two IDP's ( plus the queue at a Central Post Office )
for the Brits to reach their Place in the Sun after Brexit.

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There's a deal!
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There's a deal!
I think May is saying “deal” with those air-quotation-marks at this stage, though.
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There's a deal!
Only to be shot down in flames by The Three Brexiteers when Mays deal goes before Parliament.
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Just got back from a meeting...

what is going on: Any detail of the 'deal'?
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what is going on: Any detail of the 'deal'?
Very little information, rumours of a customs union!

This big negotiation seems to have collapsed into accepting whatever the EU choose to offer.
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Old 14.11.2018, 00:18
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Not too many details as yet.
May's got selected cabinet ministers reading it individually in locked rooms, as they're not allowed to remove it from situ because she doesn't trust them not to leak the details. It will be tomorrow afternoon before all her ministers have been advised or read it.

However...there's bit coming out via the god that is Robert Peston () https://twitter.com/Peston and Faisal Islam. https://twitter.com/faisalislam I'm just leaving those two pages open and checking when there's an update
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Seems a customs union would block the UK from writing trade deals with non EU countries!
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Just seen the amazing gathering of 'we demand a people's vote now' - with 'celebrities', Tory and Labour MPs - brilliant.

So, it seems that within a very short time- we will be faced with 'No Deal' and a 'people's vote' - with remain a very popular option.
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Honestly, I think the Tories will do all they possibly can to avoid either of those options. Collectively, they don't want to lose power.
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Seems a customs union would block the UK from writing trade deals with non EU countries!
Yes generally speaking that is how the WTO see it. On the other hand, with both Russia and Argentina having lodged objections at the WTO they were unlikely to be signing trade deals any time soon. So continuing to avail of EU trade deals for the moment is no necessary a bad option, although no doubt it will not be seen that way.
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