The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

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	Careful what you wish for. With Thatcher any sniff of leaving the EU would have been stamped out before it gained even minimal traction.

Unlikely, she would have never allowed the UK to become this entwined in the EU.

How does this work?

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	She would have got us a good deal, so we would not have had to leave in the first place.

So by your logic the EU isn't really THAT difficult to deal with (as long as you've got someone that can actually negotiate) and it's just down to the incompetency and inefficacy of the current and recent governments that they decided to jump ship? Interesting.

The other EU states seem to have retained the balls to deal with the EU.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	Swisstree
	Clarke's tweet this morning in the wee hours: "I've been sat up in bed for hours, whisky on the bedside table, soft jazz playing in the background, trying to think if I've ever worked with a more idiotic bunch of self centred bastards in my nearly 50 years as a MP. Nope, still can't think of any. Time for another bottle." 3:58 PM - 15 Nov 2018

Some more absolute peaches from the Father of the House ...

https://twitter.com/MrKennethClarke/media

[fatmanfilms]

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	So by your logic the EU isn't really THAT difficult to deal with (as long as you've got someone that can actually negotiate) and it's just down to the incompetency and inefficacy of the current and recent governments that they decided to jump ship? Interesting. The other EU states seem to have retained the balls to deal with the EU.

Actually walking away is the best way to deal with the EU, the only way according to Dyson. Most other EU states get a better return than the UK.....

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Actually walking away is the best way to deal with the EU, the only way according to Dyson. Most other EU states get a better return than the UK.....

If anyone knows about walking away, it is patriotic Brit Dyson and his factories that disappear from the UK to the far East.

[fatmanfilms]

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	If anyone knows about walking away, it is patriotic Brit Dyson and his factories that disappear from the UK to the far East.

Perhaps he does not want to make them in the EU ?

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Actually walking away is the best way to deal with the EU, the only way according to Dyson. Most other EU states get a better return than the UK.....

Dyson? The company which has set up operations in Singapore so he can deal with the EU via the backdoor?

The fact that other EU states get a better deal is because they can negotiate. You suggested that the UK has a bad deal because it doesn't have Thatcher who WOULD be able to get a better deal.

Again, that's nothing to do with the EU and everything to do with the competency of the UK government's current shower of numpties.

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Perhaps he does not want to make them in the EU ?

Then he wouldn't need to move them out of the UK, would he?

[Blueangel]

All party whips have been told to cancel their plans and return to London.

[fatmanfilms]

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	Dyson? The company which has set up operations in Singapore so he can deal with the EU via the backdoor? The fact that other EU states get a better deal is because they can negotiate. You suggested that the UK has a bad deal because it doesn't have Thatcher who WOULD be able to get a better deal. Again, that's nothing to do with the EU and everything to do with the competency of the UK government's current shower of numpties.

I guess the EU is not a particularly big market in the grand scheme of things even if they think they are.

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	I guess the EU is not a particularly big market in the grand scheme of things even if they think they are.

Try again?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...nsumer_markets

Honestly, you should look at facts occasionally.

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	I guess the EU is not a particularly big market in the grand scheme of things even if they think they are.

Yeah, I'm sure you're right. Utterly insignificant backwater on the global stage of markets.

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	Try again? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...nsumer_markets Honestly, you should look at facts occasionally.

That's never bothered him before. Why would he start now?

[fatmanfilms]

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	Try again? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...nsumer_markets Honestly, you should look at facts occasionally.

By the time the factory is up & running China will have overtaken the EU & the UK won't figure in the EU no's. EU growth rates are very poor v China if you had not noticed.

I guess you are just so much brighter than Dyson, he should really start to listen to you, Odile & Sandgrounder, then he could be as successful as the 3 of you combined

do I want to be saddled with the environmental disaster that is China, and concentration camps, no human rights, slavery, animal cruelty in the extreme- no thank you.

Becoming the vassals of China, Saudi Arabia, the USA, etc, etc, etc is not really what I would call 'getting back control'.

[Blueangel]

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	Yeah, I'm sure you're right. Utterly insignificant backwater on the global stage of markets.

Dyson doesn't give a fig about the UK or EU. He's jumped ship on the back of this, and the timing of his business decisions pretty much follow these developments. He'd have followed this path with or without Brexit, so his words mean bugger all.

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	The race is on to secure the world’s biggest trading bloc – and China is leading the way

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2018/...-36bb820a240e/

[Blueangel]

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	do I want to be saddled with the environmental disaster that is China,

And I'll repeat for the umpteenth time, the UK government taxes businesses on their carbon footprint, yet is determined to pursue a path that actively encourages them to export to far flung markets over and above the one that's right on the doorstep.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	And I'll repeat for the umpteenth time, the UK government taxes businesses on their carbon footprint, yet is determined to pursue a path that actively encourages them to export to far flung markets over and above the one that's right on the doorstep.

One of the reasons for Dyson using factories in Singapore.

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	I guess you are just so much brighter than Dyson, he should really start to listen to you, Odile & Sandgrounder

Well, I don't want to boast or anything, but we all got out of the UK before him

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	I guess you are just so much brighter than Dyson, he should really start to listen to you, Odile & Sandgrounder, then he could be as successful as the 3 of you combined

Nothing to do with "being bright" (do you actually read the posts ?)

Just pointing out the hypocrisy among Brexiters. Dyson was one of the shouty morons bleating about how awful the EU is then sneaks off to fawn all over them by doing a deal via Singapore.