The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[Blueangel]

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	Instead of groaning FMF, could you give your interpretation of what BoJo, daddy and Farage were meeting up yesterday.

= bumped into each other at a restaurant, possibly discussed the menu or wine list during their brief, less than 5 minutes exchange? Nobody knows.

[John William]

Wow - hows this for some nice jingoistic nonsense to explain the narrow mindedness of
those extreme Brexiteers, who play on Britain's invasion fears and fantasies.

The Guardian - The Paranoid fantasy behind Brexit

Frankly I don't buy it and nor does Joe Public, so long as they've got their heads screwed
on straight !!
Although no doubt it's enjoying some mileage, when it comes to the Arch Brexiteers views
of the EU and shouting down the new Draft Agreement with the EU in Parliament.

Of course there's the generation that lived through the Second World War, to whom it might
strike a chord and no doubt welcomed new Orgre's like Joseph Stalin, Khrushchev and
Brezhnev, along with the threat of world communism during the Cold War but that ended
some 30 years ago now.
If that's the paranoid fantasy generation that the Guardian is eluding to, then
they are rapidly dying out, as they must be well into their 90's by now !!

Still I blame the Daily Mail for starting it all back in 1906 with The Invasion of 1910, a
serialization of the William Le Queux novel which was adapted to have the German Army
march through the Home counties and those areas of high Daily Mail readership !!

In fact I wouldn't put it past the Daily Mail for starting all those German Paratroopers
dressed up as Nun's stories !!

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Why would I try to make up something when I have no information to work with?

Impersonation of somebody on the forum maybe ?

[greenmount]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Why would I try to make up something when I have no information to work with?

But that's all the info you need. For DM it would be like more than plenty...

[John William]

Hows this for a laugh from the Independent today - apparently arch Leave supporter Nadine Dorris
MP slams May's Brexit deal because the UK won't be left with any seats in the European Parliament.

Maybe this Brexit MP would rather see Brexit deals where we stay in the EU after all !!



Brexit MP Nadine Dorris complains that May's plan doesn't include UK MEP seats in EU Parliament

As said again and again 'you just could not make this up' ....

I liked JK Rowling?s response to the Rees-Mogg's mantra 'No Deal is better than a bad deal':

'Only vulture capitalists and hardcore ideologues want no deal. Both seek profit in the chaos that will severely impact the average person’s life. It’s time to stop chuckling at faux 1920s aristos in top hats. They’re not charming, they’re bloody dangerous.'

all sides are now working hard at ensuring No Deal is blocked as an option- even Labour - yes, even Corbyn is coming off is bl****** fence, wow- now he increasingly realises a GE is not likely.

[marton]

Barnier plans to lock UK into EU until DECEMBER 2022

Source

Britain will likely have to hand over an estimated £10billion a year for the extension on top of the already agreed £39bn Brexit divorce bill.

Where is the bus when you need it!

Currently this is just a proposal, nothing agreed.

	Quote:	marton
	@LOZ183 "The UK will remain under the jurisdiction of the ECJ until eight years after the end of the transition period. (Article 158)." That is actually not what this article says! It says that if a UK court is considering a question raised concerning the interpretation of Part Two of this Agreement then they can ask the ECJ for a ruling. "the UK will agree to pay £40bn to receive all of these ‘privileges’. (Article 138)" Article 138 does not mention £40bn? I recommend you read the original agreement rather than this heavily biased interpretation.

Must have hit a nerve, Number 10 have now published a rebuttal to each and every point. Are you a lawyer? Do you understand the meaning of all 585 pages of the agreement?


The Brexit deal: 40 rebuttals to Mr Steerpike’s 40 horrors

[Full article quotation removed]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics...lic-opinion-br Interesting polls, only 28% want to stop Brexit & remain in the UK as before.

Interesting how you so selectively quote. Lets take a few other quotes you might like less

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	Given the choice between accepting the deal and leaving the EU without any formal agreement, 60% of people would take the deal, while 40% would prefer to leave without it.

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	Asking whether they would prefer a no-deal Brexit or a second in/out referendum again sees a new vote emerge as the favoured option, this time by 54% to 46%.

This also fits in with another poll a couple of months back which had a 1st/2nd preference question that had a ~60:40 majority in favour of remaining in the EU over a no deal exit.

[bigblue2]

and so it comes to pass, the uk will pay more or less same, with abide by all the same regs and laws, but won't have a seat at the table

<slow clap> well done everyone involved <slow clap>

but hey, a few already very rich people will make shed loads more cash in the chaos.

[lewton]

How many of the British in here prefer May to stay and see this deal through, and how many would rather she were jobless by the end of the week?
If it's the latter, I'm not trying to categorise into Brexiteers (who find the deal too soft) and Remainers (who find the deal too hard), just want to see how many would prefer her to stay and how many are ready for the Chaos.

[bigblue2]

I'd prefer it if all the mp's on both sides where sacked, banned from re-standing and a whole new crowd voted in, its highlighted that neither side can be trusted, or have a clue what they are actually doing and just a bunch of back stabbing bastards out for their own personal interests.

	Quote:	lewton
	How many of the British in here prefer May to stay and see this deal through, and how many would rather she were jobless by the end of the week? If it's the latter, I'm not trying to categorise into Brexiteers (who find the deal too soft) and Remainers (who find the deal too hard), just want to see how many would prefer her to stay and how many are ready for the Chaos.

She is by far the best of the worst bunch ever- and by gum she has stamina and more guts than all the others put together- and I am not a fan of hers at all either. I want her to stay- because what those ready to take over want No Deal- they have always wanted NO DEAL- but was their vision from the start. And to do with ne tax regs coming in in January 2019.

Many from all sides are doing everything they can to ensure amendments will prevent No Deal.

As for the two options, I am definitely, still, for the third one. No Deal will ever be as good as the one we have got now- and no, it is NOT too late.

Cameron better keep out of my way if he knows what is good for him

[marton]

A Guardian analysis of what the Agreement means here

For example, The deal says that both sides intend to strike a “comprehensive air transport agreement”, allowing airlines to continue operating between Britain and the EU in a safe and commercially fair way.

[marton]

@@LOZ183

No, I am not a lawyer but nevertheless am able to competently comment on clearly written Articles in the Agreement.
You will see the Downing Street "rebuttal" of the two points that I also commented on do not disagree with my comments!

I recommend you read the Guardian link I posted earlier.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	lewton
	How many of the British in here prefer May to stay and see this deal through, and how many would rather she were jobless by the end of the week?

May to stay for the time being because the possible alternatives are a supreme shower of shite. I'm an ardent Remainer and will not change my position. In fact, I can't recall any other opinion/belief I've had in my adult life that has been so unwaveringly clear cut and absolute.

There was a lot of grandstanding on the UK political programmes, most of which was of no real substance (May, Corbyn & Chakrabarti). The only interview worth watching was with Carolyn Fairbairn, director general of the CBI. It's exceptionally rare that I'd post a link to the DM, but the full interview is on their site.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...exit-plan.html

The essence of the interview is, the proposed deal is the beginning of progress and not the finished article, but at all costs, 'no deal' must be removed from the table. In all my years of negotiation, that's the most common sense approach to bargaining. It forces the working parameters to be between the proposed deal and remain.

	Quote:	marton
	For example, The deal says that both sides intend to strike a “comprehensive air transport agreement”, allowing airlines to continue operating between Britain and the EU in a safe and commercially fair way.

Cannot be done, and for very good reason. Any air crash in Europe is subject to ECJ law. Anyway, the airline industry needed the final decisions and a new Openskies Treaty by September. Obviously, that didn't happen.

	Quote:	John William
	Hows this for a laugh from the Independent today - apparently arch Leave supporter Nadine Dorris MP slams May's Brexit deal because the UK won't be left with any seats in the European Parliament. Maybe this Brexit MP would rather see Brexit deals where we stay in the EU after all !! Brexit MP Nadine Dorris complains that May's plan doesn't include UK MEP seats in EU Parliament

Now this is a very 'flowery' response to Nadine (as said, language! You've been warned - but she says what has to be said):

https://www.facebook.com/JackWDart/v...9087976822815/

[Blueangel]

"Clackwanker"??? I hate Nadine Dorries too. She's a waste of skin that one!

A very interesting article in the Guardian. And shows clearly the similitudes with Trump's election.

Jeremy Corbyn was revered by the young in Labour- but no longer. And they will NOT forgive him either (I won't for sure):

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/colum...gfYd_fCh45Q5CE

[Blueangel]

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	Jeremy Corbyn was revered by the young in Labour- but no longer. And they will NOT forgive him either (I won't for sure):

From the start, I've repeatedly warned my younger friends of Corbyn's history of betrayal, and how the attempted coup against Kinnock effectively thwarted Labour's election hopes for almost a decade. I've warned them that he sold one generation down the river, don't allow yourselves to be the second generation that he betrays.

Most of my friends have seen the light. It's the older ones, the people my age 50+, who appear to be sticking with him.

Lewton asked today, who wants to see May gone. My belief is still that both May and Corbyn will be gone before Christmas, but the one I want to see gone with all my being, is Corbyn.