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View Poll Results: What would you personally prefer to happen?
I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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For example, The deal says that both sides intend to strike a “comprehensive air transport agreement”, allowing airlines to continue operating between Britain and the EU in a safe and commercially fair way.
OK that’s clear. But what about a British Airline (EasyJet) operating between (or within) EU Member States? Or an Irish Airline (Ryanair) operating within the UK or between the UK and a EU Member State other than Ireland?

What is quoted here is NOT status quo.

And I hesitate to mention British Airways, which is not British (Spanish) operating from the UK to anywhere but Spain. or Virgin Atlantic, which is 1/3 French/Dutch (AF/KL) and 1/3 US (DL) flying anywhere.
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So Mrs May has stated categorically that her deal with end FOP for good.

And that it will stop those pesky Europeans from jumping the queue. You know, that queue that British people have been jumping for as long as t'other way round.

What will be the implications for you all here, I do wonder- and for the millions of Brits all over the EU?

BTW Population of Europe: 741.4 million
Population of India: 1.339 billion

Just leaving this here...I do wonder if this is what people in the UK voted for?
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What will be the implications for you all here
Well for me it already happened, I got my Irish passport seeya suckers
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Lovely teeth those Swiss hens have got
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Old 19.11.2018, 17:49
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Lewton asked today, who wants to see May gone. My belief is still that both May and Corbyn will be gone before Christmas, but the one I want to see gone with all my being, is Corbyn.
Makes total sense if you love the country.

I don't especially, so I wouldn't mind to see Corbyn as PM ruining everything.
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I’m frankly confused about the queue. Ms. May suggests that Australian engineers, and Indian programmers are currently in a queue behind all EU nationals that wish to emigrate to the UK?

But is this reality? Are third country immigrants currently affected at all by the numbers of EU immigrants? I don’t think this is the case.

And anyway I doubt that that Australian programmer, or that Indian engineer would seek many of the jobs EU nationals have been doing in the UK for years.
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I’m frankly confused about the queue. Ms. May suggests that Australian engineers, and Indian programmers are currently in a queue behind all EU nationals that wish to emigrate to the UK?
Yes, of course this is reality because of EU freedom of movement. Same for all other EU countries and also for Switzerland.
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Old 19.11.2018, 19:28
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I’m frankly confused about the queue. Ms. May suggests that Australian engineers, and Indian programmers are currently in a queue behind all EU nationals that wish to emigrate to the UK?

But is this reality? Are third country immigrants currently affected at all by the numbers of EU immigrants? I don’t think this is the case.

And anyway I doubt that that Australian programmer, or that Indian engineer would seek many of the jobs EU nationals have been doing in the UK for years.
This is a bit of a spin by May!
EU nationals are not in a queue today so there is no queue for non EUs to be behind, if EU nationals want to emigrate to the UK they can do so immediately.

Non EU people have to go through a formal immigration process which takes a while.
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In fact come to think of it - if Brexit Britain did return to the British Empire ( Ops sorry ), I mean return
to the British Commonwealth ( Ops scrub that ) I mean The Commonwealth !!

Then lets say Britain decides to rival the EU on the World stage with The Commonwealth, version 2
and have a Commonwealth Parliament sitting in Canberra, Australia.
Then most likely, the many British MEP's that will be loosing their seats in Brussels, could very well be
re-elected as CMP's ( Commonwealth Members of Parliament ) with UKIP and Nigel Farage,
taking their seats in Canberra, groaning at the excesses of the Commonwealth Parliament !!

So much so, that it will not be long before Nigel Farage is nicknamed, The Whinging Pom !! of the
Commonwealth Parliament by the Australian press and TV news channels.

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Oh good, it looks like Spain aren't happy with the deal either.

Spain demands Gibraltar veto in Brexit deal

And the DUP have abstained in today's votes on the Finance Bill. Happy days.
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Old 19.11.2018, 22:27
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Oh good, it looks like Spain aren't happy with the deal either.

Spain demands Gibraltar veto in Brexit deal

And the DUP have abstained in today's votes on the Finance Bill. Happy days.
Peanuts! Wait until they sit down to sort out WTO status... Argentina will demand the Falklands and heavens only knows what it will take get Russia to lift it’s objections... the keys to GHQ perhaps....

The proposed customs union or an application to EFTA may turn out to be the UK’s only way to avoid years of haggling at the WTO. Only time will tell.
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Yes, of course this is reality because of EU freedom of movement. Same for all other EU countries and also for Switzerland.
...and despite that, even in the heaviest years for EU to UK immigration >50% of UK immigration came from outside the EU. In most years significantly more than 50%.
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Peanuts! Wait until they sit down to sort out WTO status... Argentina will demand the Falklands and heavens only knows what it will take get Russia to lift it’s objections... the keys to GHQ perhaps....

The proposed customs union or an application to EFTA may turn out to be the UK’s only way to avoid years of haggling at the WTO. Only time will tell.
Don't be so unfair Jim- the Leavers knew EXACTLY what they voted for (not)
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Don't be so unfair Jim- the Leavers knew EXACTLY what they voted for (not)
In recent weeks there has been talk of:

An EU Tax authority
A eurozone budget
An EU finance minister
An EU Army
An EU Labour authority
Deeper political integration

I don't think YOU know what you voted for.
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In recent weeks there has been talk of:
An EU finance minister
Whatever next? You'll be telling me they want a president soon!
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Corbyn's in the poop...

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And in fairness to @johnmcdonnellMP he did vote on the important amendment that could have defeated the government, but his leader @jeremycorbyn did not - though @theresa_may did vote (the other way of course)

PS I am reliably told Labour whips had been told the DUP would be on their side in this crucial vote. so it is genuinely extraordinary they contrived to lose

And I know I am tediously labouring the point now (sorry) but the amendment that Labour should have won, and narrowly lost, and for which @jeremycorbyn did not vote, was in Corbyn’s name

By the way a number of senior Labour MPs, including frontbenchers, incandescent party lost that vote - and blame the whips. I am sure it will be raised at shadow cabinet this morning

I am told that @jeremycorbyn missed crucial vote because “he had number of meetings etc after CBI”. Oh dear
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In recent weeks there has been talk of:

An EU Tax authority
A eurozone budget
An EU finance minister
An EU Army
An EU Labour authority
Deeper political integration

I don't think YOU know what you voted for.
Lovely, I want more.
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Makes total sense if you love the country.

I don't especially, so I wouldn't mind to see Corbyn as PM ruining everything.
Would you happen to have Cypriot ancestry? One branch of my partner's family do, and they share your disdain for the UK.

Personally, I hate to see any country destroy itself. Obviously, that's heightened when it's my own country of origin. I'm not adverse to change, but abhor chaos, particularly when it creates a power vacuum. The UK isn't at that point, and I don't foresee it, but the complete lack of order, foresight, direction and unified planning is disconcerting.

There's a lot to be gained financially from chaos, but only a select few would benefit from that. Strangely, many of them are closely connected to leading Brexiteers. So to conclude, I'm seething watching the people of my country getting screwed over by a bunch of greedy, lying, selfish twonks who couldn't give a flying feck about anyone other than themselves.
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Would you happen to have Cypriot ancestry? One branch of my partner's family do, and they share your disdain for the UK.

Personally, I hate to see any country destroy itself. Obviously, that's heightened when it's my own country of origin. I'm not adverse to change, but abhor chaos, particularly when it creates a power vacuum. The UK isn't at that point, and I don't foresee it, but the complete lack of order, foresight, direction and unified planning is disconcerting.

There's a lot to be gained financially from chaos, but only a select few would benefit from that. Strangely, many of them are closely connected to leading Brexiteers. So to conclude, I'm seething watching the people of my country getting screwed over by a bunch of greedy, lying, selfish twonks who couldn't give a flying feck about anyone other than themselves.
Nope, nothing to do with Cyprus, never been there.

I do not hate Britain particularly (a bit yes, for its colonial past and the role it played in Greek politics right after WW2), but being a staunch euro-federalist, I grew tired of the constant whining from Britain with respect to European Integration during my 20s, as well as the full support you guys gave to the Iraq war. Then came the financial crisis and you decided to let the Eurozone figure it out on its own, while you were feeling so vindicated for having kept your beloved pound. It became obvious over time that Britain had got the best possible deal out of the EU and this made you treat everybody else with arrogance.
So it would be lovely to see the British economy being ruined, not for the sake of it being ruined (which for example I would love to see in countries I really hate), but really what would make it lovely is the fact that it would be ruined exactly because it left the EU.
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Nope, nothing to do with Cyprus, never been there.

I do not hate Britain particularly (a bit yes, for its colonial past and the role it played in Greek politics right after WW2), but being a staunch euro-federalist, I grew tired of the constant whining from Britain with respect to European Integration during my 20s, as well as the full support you guys gave to the Iraq war. Then came the financial crisis and you decided to let the Eurozone figure it out on its own, while you were feeling so vindicated for having kept your beloved pound. It became obvious over time that Britain had got the best possible deal out of the EU and this made you treat everybody else with arrogance.
So it would be lovely to see the British economy being ruined, not for the sake of it being ruined (which for example I would love to see in countries I really hate), but really what would make it lovely is the fact that it would be ruined exactly because it left the EU.
I'm sure the irony won't be lost on you that EU (specifically Eurozone) membership has decimated Greece's economy, and done far more lasting damage than anything the British did post WW2.
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