The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[lewton]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	I'm sure the irony won't be lost on you that EU (specifically Eurozone) membership has decimated Greece's economy, and done far more lasting damage than anything the British did post WW2.

I disagree.
EU membership has been very beneficial to Greece, adopting the euro is where it went wrong.

	Quote:	Loz1983
	I'm sure the irony won't be lost on you that EU (specifically Eurozone) membership has decimated Greece's economy, and done far more lasting damage than anything the British did post WW2.

It's definitely the EU's fault (because it happens in every country, right?) that hairdressers in Greece got to retire early on generous pensions because their work was classified as "dangerous".

The Greek economy was a basket case, which the EU bailed out. The EU, wanting to see some of their money back, put stipulations on the loan.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	lewton
	So it would be lovely to see the British economy being ruined, not for the sake of it being ruined (which for example I would love to see in countries I really hate), but really what would make it lovely is the fact that it would be ruined exactly because it left the EU.

There's a peculiar paradox in your response, in that you blame the acts of individual politicians and governments on the people of a nation, despite them having no vote on any of them. It puts me in mind of the British people who blame the EU for their ills despite them being the direct result of acts by successive British governments.

I abhor many of the acts of the Russian government, yet every day, I sit beside a Russian friend, but we have the emotional and logical maturity to recognise we are individual people, and not responsible for the acts of our respective governments.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	lewton
	...adopting the euro is where it went wrong.

Akrivos!

[bigblue2]

isn't it great to have someone else to blame for stuff?? even when that 'stuff' was generations ago. Being British kinda sucks in that regard, we seem to have done all the 'stuff' people moan about.

I blame the Romans.

	Quote:	bigblue2
	isn't it great to have someone else to blame for stuff?? even when that 'stuff' was generations ago. Being British kinda sucks in that regard, we seem to have done all the 'stuff' people moan about. I blame the Romans.

Yeah. What have they ever done for us?

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	lewton
	I disagree. EU membership has been very beneficial to Greece, adopting the euro is where it went wrong.

They could have adapted Monopoly money for all it matters. Once the crash came they were always going to get hammered, because the fundamentals were flawed.

The big difference in Ireland versus Greece was the the politicians - they actually showed some leadership. They started handing back money: salaries, pensions, state cars... Supreme Court Justices started to voluntarily return part of their salary and so on. It did not make much difference to the financials but is sent a very powerful message to the people: things must be bloody bad if politicians are handing back money! And so while people were definitely not happy, they were more willing to accept the measures that were required.

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	Jim2007
	And so while people were definitely not happy, they were more willing to accept the measures that were required.

Which is more than can be said for Swiss 1st Pillar pensions.........

This man is the only one who seems to understand the issues, and has been, right from the start. Prof Dougan of Liverpool Uni- discarded as being 'just an expert- who needs them.

https://youtu.be/s37N8qqtYQc

And BRAVO to Susanna Reid of Good Morning Britain - I don't know how she can put up with Pierse Morgan everyday !?!

You are the losers now - just accept it. As pole after pole indicates there is a real desire for a second vote- that included staying in the EU.

[amogles]

	Quote:
	As pole after pole indicates there is a real desire for a second vote- that included staying in the EU.

And the Romanians too.

[bigblue2]

	Quote:
	And BRAVO to Susanna Reid of Good Morning Britain - I don't know how she can put up with Pierse Morgan everyday !?!

the 1m+ per year salary helps I guess

	Quote:	amogles
	And the Romanians too.

https://www.facebook.com/boredpanda/...6522408364252/

[John William]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	In recent weeks there has been talk of: An EU Tax authority A eurozone budget An EU finance minister An EU Army An EU Labour authority Deeper political integration I don't think YOU know what you voted for.

Time for a much needed reality check here:

An EU Army:
I assume were talking about EU Army troops being stationed in the UK and setting up bases
in Britain - in other words foreign troops on British soil !!

Reality check:

As usual the Brexiteers are turning a blind eye to the foreign troops that are already stationed
on British soil and in fact have been in the UK ever since the Second World War.
I am of course referring to the United States Army and Air Force who never went home after WWII
and have failed to go home again after the end of the Cold War.

In fact the White House and the US government have always been pulling strings in the UK -
the EU ( by comparison ) haven't even come close to exerting the sort of influence the
United States enjoys over the UK under it's special, one sided relationship.
So the Brexits have already failed before they have even begun - as the UK would have to
ditch the special US relationship to really get back control.

An EU Tax Authority, an EU Labour authority & no doubt an EU Social Security
and Pensions system

Reality check:
The only people who would fear an EU wide tax authority are those with something to hide like
undeclared assets squirreled away in off shore bank accounts.
An EU labour authority will no doubt bring in a level playing field for those seeking work
and employment opportunities both at home and abroad with a harmonizing of qualifications,
professional bodies, etc, etc.


An EU wide EU Social Security and Pensions system

Reality check:
Bring it on - just think if Britain had remained in the EU, the millennial generation
could have looked forward to a far, far better EU State Pension, instead of the joke
that is the British State Pension, renowned for being one of the developed worlds
worst state pension schemes.

Deeper political intergration

Reality check
Bring it on - it's got to be better than the current crop of British politicians and the
cabinet that comprises Mayhem's government.
I despair of finding any true statesmen and women in Westminster, like we had in the past !!

[fatmanfilms]

An EU tax authority could be very dangerous as plenty of countries don't tax Non Doms on world wide earnings & capital gains, UK, Malta & Ireland. Some CH cantons also do deals with foreigners.

The reason that there are so many foreign Billionaires in London is the tax system & not the weather.

	Quote:	John William
	Time for a much needed reality check here: An EU Army: I assume were talking about EU Army troops being being stationed in the UK and setting up bases in Britain - in other words foreign troops on British soil !! Reality check: As usual the Brexiteers are turning a blind eye to the foreign troops that are already stationed on British soil and in fact have been in the UK ever since the Second World War. I am of course referring to the United States Army and Air Force who never went home after WWII and have failed to go home again after the end of the Cold War. In fact the White House and the US government have always been pulling strings in the UK - the EU ( by comparison ) haven't even come close to exerting the sort of influence the United States enjoys over the UK, under it's one sided special relationship. So the Brexits have already failed before they have even begun - as the UK would have to ditch the special US relationship to really get back control. An EU Tax Authority, an EU Labour authority & no doubt an EU Social Security and Pensions system Reality check: The only people who would fear an EU wide tax authority are those with something to hide like undeclared assets squirreled away in off shore bank accounts. An EU labour authority will no doubt bring in a level playing field for those seeking work and employment opportunities both at home and broad with a harmonizing of qualifications, professional bodies, etc, etc. An EU wide EU Social Security and Pensions system Reality check: Bring it on - just think if Britain had remained in the EU, the millennials generation could have looked forward to a far, far better EU State Pension, instead of the joke that is the British State Pension, renowned for being one of the developed worlds worst state pension schemes. Deeper political intergration Reality check Bring it on -it's got to be better than the current crop of British politicians and the cabinet that comprises Mayhem's government. I despair of finding any true statesmen and women in Westminster, like we had in the past !!

[John William]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	An EU tax authority could be very dangerous as plenty of countries don't tax Non Doms on world wide earnings & capital gains, UK, Malta & Ireland. Some CH cantons also do deals with foreigners. The reason that there are so many foreign Billionaires in London is the tax system & not the weather.

Yes an EU wide tax authority would be very dangerous to those with something to hide like dubious
earnings and unexplained income. I don't think anyone's going to defend the tax evaders !!

Reality Check
Bring it on as they would no doubt come armed with EU wide powers to give the tax authorities
some much needed clout !!

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	An EU tax authority could be very dangerous as plenty of countries don't tax Non Doms on world wide earnings & capital gains, UK, Malta & Ireland. Some CH cantons also do deals with foreigners. The reason that there are so many foreign Billionaires in London is the tax system & not the weather.

Nah, not dangerous at all, only evens the playing field...

Interesting though - one of the opt outs Ireland was given when according to BREXITEERS Ireland voted twice on the Lisbon treaty.... some second vote!

[k_and_e]

	Quote:	John William
	Time for a much needed reality check here: An EU Army: I assume were talking about EU Army troops being stationed in the UK and setting up bases in Britain - in other words foreign troops on British soil !! Reality check: As usual the Brexiteers are turning a blind eye to the foreign troops that are already stationed on British soil and in fact have been in the UK ever since the Second World War. I am of course referring to the United States Army and Air Force who never went home after WWII and have failed to go home again after the end of the Cold War. In fact the White House and the US government have always been pulling strings in the UK - the EU ( by comparison ) haven't even come close to exerting the sort of influence the United States enjoys over the UK under it's special, one sided relationship. So the Brexits have already failed before they have even begun - as the UK would have to ditch the special US relationship to really get back control. An EU Tax Authority, an EU Labour authority & no doubt an EU Social Security and Pensions system Reality check: The only people who would fear an EU wide tax authority are those with something to hide like undeclared assets squirreled away in off shore bank accounts. An EU labour authority will no doubt bring in a level playing field for those seeking work and employment opportunities both at home and abroad with a harmonizing of qualifications, professional bodies, etc, etc. An EU wide EU Social Security and Pensions system Reality check: Bring it on - just think if Britain had remained in the EU, the millennial generation could have looked forward to a far, far better EU State Pension, instead of the joke that is the British State Pension, renowned for being one of the developed worlds worst state pension schemes. Deeper political intergration Reality check Bring it on - it's got to be better than the current crop of British politicians and the cabinet that comprises Mayhem's government. I despair of finding any true statesmen and women in Westminster, like we had in the past !!

You are right about everything. The only problems are implementation and the fact that nobody wants it.

For example, I am Dutch. Netherlands has the best pension system in the world. Why on earth would the Dutch choose to be in a pension system together with the southern European countries?

[fatmanfilms]

	Quote:	John William
	Yes an EU wide tax authority would be very dangerous to those with something to hide like dubious earnings and unexplained income. I don't think anyone's going to defend the tax evaders !! Reality Check Bring it on as they would no doubt come armed with EU wide powers to give the tax authorities some much needed clout !!

Nothing Illegal, no tax evasion & no dubious earnings. Different jurisdictions have different rules. In CH every town & canton has different rules & rates of taxation to put this in perspective.

Tax authorities have the clout especially with exchange of information, of course any billionaire just needs to invest 100% in Berkshire Hathaway which pays zero dividend & find a country without wealth tax & CGT. Perfectly legal & possible to legally have a zero tax liability. Alternatively do a deal in CH and pay 150,000 CHF. Isle of Mann would be Zero, Jersey Zero, Malta Zero, UK potentially Zero.

	Quote:	Jim2007
	Nah, not dangerous at all, only evens the playing field...

Competition is good, why level the playing field, governments & people have a choice

A murmuration of starlings, a troupe of elephants, a conference of owls - and a Forum of Queue Jumpers

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	fatmanfilms
	Competition is good, why level the playing field, governments & people have a choice

Not when you are building a single market dear, do try to keep up.