The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[bigblue2]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	And yet they Italy has 10% unemployment and 30% youth unemployment. Investment in infrastructure means nothing if you don't have a job. Whilst there may be some nice roads, and bridges that collapse, the point is it does nothing for the people; the Italian people are far worse off now than before adopting the Euro.

prove it

Italian employment laws are often blamed for the high unemployment.

[marton]

	Quote:	marton
	Like EU commissioners, UK Cabinet Ministers are also nominated.

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Yes, and if they do a shit job they get voted out. Try that with your EU commissioners.

Some people claim UK Cabinet Ministers are banned from being MPs by the Acts of Settlement 1701 and Union 1707.
Of course this ban is ignored and has never been tried in court.

The US has the same ban and actually follows this rule so Ministers are not members of Congress.

	Quote:	John William
	Nice one - in which case here's an item that the UK will never regain control from the interference of a foreign country, namely the USA !! Here's another Reality Check: American Arrest warrants for the extradition of British citizens to the United States, to stand trial, are far more successful in having the US Arrest warrant upheld in British courts, than a European Arrest Warrant !!

Reality Check: THE US INTERFERES EVERYWHERE!

Companies in your beloved EU can't sell stuff to Iran at the moment because the Trump has placed sanctions on that country.

This is just another non sequitur, just because the UK leaves the EU it doesn't mean it has to jump into bed with the US. If the UK doesn't get the trade agreement it want's under Trump, it can just wait for the next president.

[John William]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Reality Check: THE US INTERFERES EVERYWHERE! Companies in your beloved EU can't sell stuff to Iran at the moment because the Trump has placed sanctions on that country. This is just another non sequitur, just because the UK leaves the EU it doesn't mean it has to jump into bed with the US. If the UK doesn't get the trade agreement it want's under Trump, it can just wait for the next president.

Thanks for vindicating my Reality Checks. Which means the Brexiteers biggest agument that UK will
regain control over her own affairs without foreign interference, after leaving the EU is dead
in the water !!

[bigblue2]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Companies in your beloved EU can't sell stuff to Iran at the moment because the Trump has placed sanctions on that country.

ah bless, you really do just read the headlines don't you.

[MusicChick]

I am not saying that it is ideal here but feel that CH's independence on EU is a point that quite a few EU governments are contemplating. I think the UK got closer to it than any of the smaller EU members, I am not naieve to consider the EU equality idea to be actually true. Without the EU, we'll be paying for our autonomy through our noses...but won't have the patronizing, expensive and dogmatic politbyro to account to. Nobody in the EEs is centralistic anymore. And then Italy the least, they seem to have thrown the pc EU posturing out the window.

	Quote:	John William
	Thanks for vindicating my Reality Checks. Which means the Brexiteers biggest agument that UK will regain control over her own affairs without foreign interference, after leaving the EU is dead in the water !!

notwithsatnding that if you want to be clear of foreign interference, it usually makes sense NOT to sell the vast majority of all your vital utilities, be it electricity, nuclear power, gas, water, rail, roads, airports, and more - to foreign consortiums, be they EU or non. Once you have lost your key utilities, you will always be at the mercy of others- and in a state of virtual siege.

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	notwithsatnding that if you want to be clear of foreign interference, it usually makes sense NOT to sell the vast majority of all your vital utilities, be it electricity, nuclear power, gas, water, rail, roads, airports, and more - to foreign consortiums, be they EU or non. Once you have lost your key utilities, you will always be at the mercy of others- and in a state of virtual siege.

Have you ever checked who supplies most of Europe’s gas?

Even British gas is a massive multinational- despite its name.

You do know who owns British Airways btw.

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	Have you ever checked who supplies most of Europe’s gas?

I can never remember - is it Boris or Nigel?

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	Even British gas is a massive multinational- despite its name. It is owned by Centrica: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/b...ed-805421.html You do know who owns British Airways btw.

Having British in the name means very little these days.

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	Even British gas is a massive multinational- despite its name. You do know who owns British Airways btw.

You’re answering a point I wasn’t making. I don’t care who owns British Airways or British Gas, they’re not going to turn off the supply. Russia on the other hand...

[greenmount]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	And yet they Italy has 10% unemployment and 30% youth unemployment. Investment in infrastructure means nothing if you don't have a job. Whilst there may be some nice roads, and bridges that collapse, the point is it does nothing for the people; the Italian people are far worse off now than before adopting the Euro.

Youth unemployment is a big problem everywhere but there are various causes for it that have nothing to do with EU. For instance labour and employment laws, someone else has already mentioned this, education system that is well behind what the economy needs e.g. lots of diplomas that aren't needed to the detriment of the more technical or practical education, etc. etc. etc. And......I'm gonna say something not very nice, but a lot of youth prefers to stay home receiving some sort of social benefits because mom and dad will continue supporting their "little" darlings till they reach their forties.....sometimes there are jobs but there are beneath their "dignity" if you know what I mean..

[amogles]

	Quote:	marton
	Some people claim UK Cabinet Ministers are banned from being MPs by the Acts of Settlement 1701 and Union 1707. Of course this ban is ignored and has never been tried in court. The US has the same ban and actually follows this rule so Ministers are not members of Congress.

There are some who are church ministers I believe

[amogles]

	Quote:	greenmount
	.I'm gonna say something not very nice, but a lot of youth prefers to stay home receiving some sort of social benefits because mom and dad will continue supporting their "little" darlings till they reach their forties.....sometimes there are jobs but there are beneath their "dignity" if you know what I mean..

I have no doubt this exists, but i think the problem is overstated. I do know people in their 30ies still living in hotel mum & dad. But they are not one bit happy about it.

[MusicChick]

	Quote:	amogles
	I have no doubt this exists, but i think the problem is overstated. I do know people in their 30ies still living in hotel mum & dad. But they are not one bit happy about it.

The folks or the kids?

[amogles]

	Quote:	MusicChick
	The folks or the kids?

The kids.

The mums love to be able to pamper their grown up kids.

The dads complain when down at the pub but won't contradict mum when she's around.

[fatmanfilms]

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	Even British gas is a massive multinational- despite its name. You do know who owns British Airways btw.

A sucker came along, BA is totally bankrupt due to it's pension liability shortfall exceeds it's market value by a huge margin. Since the Wright Brothers first flight the airline industry as a whole has not yet made a profit, most airlines have gone bust at least once some many times. Why would anyone want to own an airline?

[fatmanfilms]

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	However, even Oxbridge take into account the fact that results in themselves are not necessarily an indication of the intelligence or potential of students. They will actually positively discriminate- knowing that some students have had a poor education and not access to expensive private tuition, etc.

Do you have a link to substantiate your claim?
I always thought you claimed only the crap teachers worked at expensive private schools or was it the other way round

If you read my post again- you may understand. Where did I mention private or State schools?

As a 6th Form Tutor with exerience in career advice and Uni applications - it is a very well known fact that Oxbridge actively and positively discriminate to ensure talent and the brightest kids, but from disadvantaged backgrounds, get a chance to access Oxbridge. A bit of research of your own, perhaps.

https://www.theguardian.com/educatio...h-lower-grades

For those not really 'au fait' with UK education, students can retake any GCSE, or GCSEs, concurrently with studying for AS'Levels. And can retake individual A'Levels, cocurrently with studying for some more, or not ... unlike the Matu/Bac system where the whole year, and the whole set of exams- have to be retaken, even those that were sucessfully passed. Students can choose some new A'Levels at some point, and drop others, etc. VERY different systems. Having to re-take will be taken into consideration for some courses, at some universities, for instance for medicine or veterinary medicine - but re-take you can, always, providing the school agrees.

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