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I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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You've got to laugh when even Brexit's supporters are already saying that post Brexit Britain is
likely to be in for 3 to 6 years of hardship and a likely recession might have to be pencilled
in, as a likely result of Britain leaving the EU.

Finally I've yet to encounter an economist who reckons WTO rules trading is wonderful and the
best thing since sliced bread.
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You've got to laugh when even Brexit's supporters are already saying that post Brexit Britain is
likely to be in for 3 to 6 years of hardship and a likely recession might have to be pencilled in as a likely result of Britain leaving the EU.
Saved me the trouble of replying to that nonsense. Except it will take more like five years to sort the WTO thingy out, another five years trying to get a great deal while claiming the USA or who ever they are negotiating with should give them a good deal and finally another couple of years be for there are real benefits .
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So is it now official that Vote Leave cheated?
They don't care anyway, like Trump's fact checked lies that he repeats again and again. It's a badge of honor actually.
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I don't think you understand how the WTO works. The UK is and will continue to be a member of the WTO once it leaves the EU. This means it will be able to continue trade no matter what. The objections raised by Argentina, Russia, New Zealand ect. are related to tariff quotas and ceilings and how the split of these between the UK and EU will be managed upon departure. These will need to be negotiated, but it doesn't mean that trade will grind to a halt.

Financial services would also continue, London is already a global financial hub that trades outside the EU. The mass exodus to Paris or Frankfurt that was predicted simply hasn't happened. Indeed, what people also seem to have forgotten is the reliance the EU has on London for financial services.

I'm not saying it would be easy, but I imagine 3-6 years of hardship, certainly a recession to overcome before getting back on track. But so what? The next crash isn't far away, where recession will be inevitable for everyone. The EU hasn't made the necessary reforms to deal with another crash and when it does happen the PIGS debt dynamics to spiral out of control whereupon the EU will likely be screwed anyway.
Do feel free to explain how UK can continue exporting when the tariff quotas and ceilings are not agreed?
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You've got to laugh when even Brexit's supporters are already saying that post Brexit Britain is
likely to be in for 3 to 6 years of hardship and a likely recession might have to be pencilled
in, as a likely result of Britain leaving the EU.

Finally I've yet to encounter an economist who reckons WTO rules trading is wonderful and the
best thing since sliced bread.
As opposed to what? 18 years of stagnation that Italy has seen since being a member of the Euro? The debt pile of the PIGS?

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They don't care anyway, like Trump's fact checked lies that he repeats again and again. It's a badge of honor actually.
Oh look, I've found the Remain bus.


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You've got to laugh when even Brexit's supporters are already saying that post Brexit Britain is
likely to be in for 3 to 6 years of hardship and a likely recession might have to be pencilled
in, as a likely result of Britain leaving the EU.
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Tell me something new - Britain will also bounce back.
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Old 24.11.2018, 14:38
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As opposed to what? 18 years of stagnation that Italy has seen since being a member of the EU? The debt pile of the PIGS?

It's a small price to pay for freedom.

Oh look, I've found the Remain bus.

UK house prices fall by Ł5,000 on average, with south sliding fastest

So house prices already falling despite Brexit has not happened yet; look forward to the other predictions coming true
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Old 24.11.2018, 15:03
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I think falling house prices would have been seen as a positive thing by most people on the Brexit-ticket.
They could, after all, look forward to affording a house, finally.

That you can only buy a house with a job - well, that's an inconvenient truth most people tend to ignore.

It's the same here in Switzerland. As much as I loathe the rising prices of houses (because I've been pretty much priced out of the real estate market - mostly due to the influx of foreigners just like myself), I sure as hell know that should prices really fall to a point where I can comfortably afford a nice house with a decent plot of land not too far from where I work, I will have a lot of other problems on hand.
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Do feel free to explain how UK can continue exporting when the tariff quotas and ceilings are not agreed?
Oh I’m all you’ll get is that they are still WTO members, they still have old trade schedules and average tariff is only 6%. Except the schedules are historical documents, nobody pays the average tariff and Argentina & Russia will do their best to frustrate every move they then make.
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As opposed to what? 18 years of stagnation that Italy has seen since being a member of the Euro? The debt pile of the PIGS?
I know this probably a waste of time, since all you do is repeat what you were told, but to amuse us could you at least post the links to your sources for this conclusion? It would be very interesting to see a factual article on how an inanimate object with little or no monetary behind it frustrated the industrial policy of five nations, especially taking account of the fact that Greece had an insolvency problem, Ireland have a cash flow problems etc...

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EU leaders in Brussels reached an agreement with Spanish Prime Minister Pedro Sánchez on Saturday to ease Spain’s concerns about Gibraltar and clearing the path for EU27 leaders to approve the Brexit Withdrawal Treaty at a summit on Sunday.

The accord between Brussels and Madrid was clinched after all-night work by advisers and phone call between Sánchez and Council President Donald Tusk, allowing Tusk to recommend Saturday afternoon that EU leaders approve the deal.

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EU leaders in Brussels reached an agreement with Spanish Prime Minister Pedro Sánchez on Saturday to ease Spain’s concerns about Gibraltar and clearing the path for EU27 leaders to approve the Brexit Withdrawal Treaty at a summit on Sunday.

The accord between Brussels and Madrid was clinched after all-night work by advisers and phone call between Sánchez and Council President Donald Tusk, allowing Tusk to recommend Saturday afternoon that EU leaders approve the deal.
Of course they did. Up to this Sánchez had not had a chance to play to the home crowd :-)

Apparently the Irish PM has got the agreement of the major political parties that they will keep their mouths shut, their heads down and no GE until all this is sorted out. No one wants to be the cause of a FU.
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Well the biggest fact about the people's vote is that it will only be an opinion poll at the end of the day. The final decision will always rest with the sovereign parliament, who's members will act according to their local party wishes not the outcome of a referendum.

We have seen this over the last couple of weeks where the ERG with it's 80 or so members were unable to come up with the 48 letters necessary to even start a leadership challenge. All politics are local as they say and it is the local votes that will drive the MPs.
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UK house prices fall by Ł5,000 on average, with south sliding fastest

So house prices already falling despite Brexit has not happened yet; look forward to the other predictions coming true
They are way to high & need to fall 60% to become affordable. Probably a real Leave vote winner as the Chancellor claimed prices would fall 40%. The marginal buyer was BTL investors, however tax changes mean a 65% mortgage will cause a loss after tax for a higher rate tax payer from 2020.
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They are way to high & need to fall 60% to become affordable. Probably a real Leave vote winner as the Chancellor claimed prices would fall 40%.
And what about all those people who were relying on their house as the nest egg for retirement... who were told get on the property ladder... you can all ways sell or release equity when you get to retirement etc...????

I got three cousins there who played by the rules, worked hard struggled to educate their kids and pay of the mortgage and now just when they are getting to the point where they might actually be able to enjoy their retirement, they clowns coming along claiming that 40% - 60% would be great!

But of course it is only a game to you, what does the human cost matter as long as your hatred of the EU is satisfied.
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Brexit: May gives way over Gibraltar after Spain's 'veto' threat

Must be very encouraging for Argentina and it's claims on the Falklands...
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And what about all those people who were relying on their house as the nest egg for retirement... who were told get on the property ladder... you can all ways sell or release equity when you get to retirement etc...????

I got three cousins there who played by the rules, worked hard struggled to educate their kids and pay of the mortgage and now just when they are getting to the point where they might actually be able to enjoy their retirement, they clowns coming along claiming that 40% - 60% would be great!

But of course it is only a game to you, what does the human cost matter as long as your hatred of the EU is satisfied.
Relying on your house as a nest egg to fund retirement is somewhat absurd, although plenty of people do believe it's their pension. 30 years ago London property cost 3 times London average earnings today it is over 12. Clearly the final fool has bought. As an accountant you should understand that the next generation can't be priced out for very long. Lax lending criteria 20 years ago & 10 years of ZIRP are of course responsible for high prices, nothing to do with shroud investing. You win some, you lose some that's life.

You choose to live in a non EU country & I choose to live in an EU country, you would appear to hate the EU more than I do.

I have noticed is entrepreneurs can see the possibilities of BREXIT where corporate types can't handle any uncertainty.
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Brexit: May gives way over Gibraltar after Spain's 'veto' threat

Must be very encouraging for Argentina and it's claims on the Falklands...

Of course this is what Spain would rather use to solve the Gibraltar issue.


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EU leaders at a brief summit meeting have agreed the Brexit deal.

Not the best of deals but hopefully will give UK business some certainty, at least for the next couple of years?

May had no cards to play with so the deal is what it is.

Now to get it through Parliament!!
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