The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[Mikers]

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	Did they- where- please give examples as requested pray tell. Boris didn't answer a single question and just came up with the slogan 'independence' day' and go a standing ovation for it - the most worrying thing. Populist **** Seems to me if BREXIT you support goes through- you should really go back- perhaps (there I've said it)

And if remain wins you'll be heading back ? No, thought not. Why would the outcome of this have any bearing on my life in Switzerland ? unless of course I should head back because I'm racist scum or whatever today's label is for anyone who thinks England would be economically better off in the long term outside the eu.

If any remainers believe that people will not be able to work in the EU after leaving, they are dreaming. Are you suggesting we'll boot the millions of EU people working in the UK out on their backsides too? Get real.

[porsch1909]

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	If any remainers believe that people will not be able to work in the EU after leaving, they are dreaming. Are you suggesting we'll boot the millions of EU people working in the UK out on their backsides too? Get real.

Will there be a mass deportation of UK citizen from the EU and Switzerland in two years time? Probably not.

Will UK citizen still be treated the same as they are now as EU citizens? Probably not.

They will probably be treated as third party individuals when it comes to permits coming up for renewal as well. They May not be treated as well if they were to lose their job and be reliant on RAV.

What will happen to Uk citizens with EU C - permits? Will they change them to the same C permits that US citizens get?

Lots of don't knows, but if anyone thinks it will be maintaining the status quo for UK citizens in Europe, they have another think coming. You can't have your cake and eat it.

"We will reform from within". Best of luck with that.

[marton]

	Quote:	Mikers
	And if remain wins you'll be heading back ? No, thought not. Why would the outcome of this have any bearing on my life in Switzerland ? unless of course I should head back because I'm racist scum or whatever today's label is for anyone who thinks England would be economically better off in the long term outside the eu.

"because I'm racist scum" no, you could simply go and enjoy the benefits of your dream of an England that would be economically better off in the long term outside the EU despite the opposite opinion of every reputable international organisation that engages in economic forecasting.

	Quote:	Blueangel
	Really? "

Yes but it was worn as a badge of honour. I actually know him going back to school days - rugby and underage drinking.

[Stoker177]

	Quote:	marton
	"because I'm racist scum" no, you could simply go and enjoy the benefits of your dream of an England that would be economically better off in the long term outside the EU despite the opposite opinion of every reputable international organisation that engages in economic forecasting.

O yea...because they always get it right don't they?

	Quote:	marton
	...that would be economically better off in the long term outside the EU despite the opposite opinion of every reputable international organisation that engages in economic forecasting.

The same reputable international organisations that said Britain should join the Euro and which utterly failed to predict the 2008 financial crash?

[marton]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	The same reputable international organisations that said Britain should join the Euro and which utterly failed to predict the 2008 financial crash?

Looks like they will have better luck predicting this crash

Jihadi endorsement for Remain on the last day of campaigning .

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/682...e-Leave-muslim

	Quote:	Mikers
	And if remain wins you'll be heading back ? No, thought not. Why would the outcome of this have any bearing on my life in Switzerland ? unless of course I should head back because I'm racist scum or whatever today's label is for anyone who thinks England would be economically better off in the long term outside the eu.

No, thought not ...!? Who said?

Some of us are in on UK pensions only, would you believe and not on fat Swiss salaries. If BREXIT goes through and the £ tumbles long term, we may well have little choice. I would have no problem in going back to UK- I love it there just as much, but differently, as I do here, and with my kids, grandkids, family and so many friends there, it would make sense as we get older. Especially if reciprocal arrangements fall through. In the meantime, some of you pro BREXIT- have got your job here thanks to the reciprocal EU arrangements re freedom of movement. YOU wouldn't be kicked out, I imagine, but others would from Brexit on find it much more difficult- just as difficult as it was for me to go and work in UK in 1970- when the only way to do so was for the employer to apply for the permit and make a case for you being essential and your job not suitable for a local.

But the truth is, I'd love to go back to the Britain I've loved for those nearly 40 years- not some broken up 'Little Britain' isolated from the rest of the world

BTW there are 1 million + of retired people from the UK living in France, Spain, Italy and other EU countries on UK pensions who would probably have to go back if the £ drops significantly and if they lose EU agreements on health care.

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	k_and_e
	that has barely anything to do with the EU. it might be a bit more difficult to move to 25 countries. for all other countries in the world, nothing will change.

But it will.
I have a home in the UK with my partner who worked in the UK for several years thanks to having an EU passport. He could also have got in on his Commonwealth passport but it would have been more of a ball ache. .

The irony is, that he can move quite freely to so many countries, and has done in the past, but one that will become problematic will be my home country and that really pisses me off.

The Leave campaign is the biggest crock of poop that I've known in my lifetime. If this isolationist mentallity wins on Friday, I'm a whisker away from being done with the UK.

[marton]

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	Some of us are in on UK pensions only, would you believe and not on fat Swiss salaries. If BREXIT goes through and the £ tumbles long term, we may well have little choice. I would have no problem in going back to UK- I love it there just as much, but differently, as I do here, and with my kids, grandkids, family and so many friends there, it would make sense as we get older. Especially if reciprocal arrangements fall through. In the meantime, some of you pro BREXIT- have got your job here thanks to the reciprocal EU arrangements re freedom of movement. YOU wouldn't be kicked out, I imagine, but others would from Brexit on find it much more difficult- just as difficult as it was for me to go and work in UK in 1970- when the only way to do so was for the employer to apply for the permit and make a case for you being essential and your job not suitable for a local. But the truth is, I'd love to go back to the Britain I've loved for those nearly 40 years- not some broken up 'Little Britain' isolated from the rest of the world

"YOU wouldn't be kicked out, I imagine" I assume not.
But at permit renewal time then likely your employer will need to prove there is no Swiss or EU citizen available to take your job. Situation will be the same as for non-EU citizens today; plus there is a quota of the number of Swiss permits available for non-EUs which adds another layer of complication.

Ironically it could be the expats eligible to vote who carry sway in the referendum, of whom there are 1.2 million in Aus/NZ, 700k in Spain and 475k in the States. I don't think they've shown up in any polls so far and the ones I know are in the remain camp, whether they bother voting or not is another question.

Those retired expats, if they have no choice but to go back in their 1000s, with all savings gone and properties they can't sell in Spain, etc- and now 10, 20 or more years older- would be a huge burden on the UK. They would depend on social security, need special housing and lots of health care support. Unlike 1000s of EU workers, they wouldn't bring taxes with them nor any 'value' in work. Where would they go? Most of them sold up to go and live abroad, but have little to show for it now.

We would not be part of them as we have good pensions - if in £s in UK and property there- even though we are currently 'heavy' on healthcare needs.

Any Brit married to an EU person would probably, just like any Brit married to non-EU- wanting to return- would have to prove s/he would be able to earn sufficiently to ensure they would be able to sustain themselves. EF friends wanted to return to UK for a long time, but without a job that would earn him more than £18.000 a year secure and in the pocket- they just could NOT. In the end she plucked a great job and they were finally able to move back, partly to look after his dad. How many Britis on EF are married to EU or Swiss people, and may, one day, wish to go back.

BTW I just do not understand why a Brit, married to non EU, non Brit- who has made it totally clear that he would never ever in a century of Sundays, move back to UK - insist on voting in the Referendum.

Just spotted this piece in the Guardian Newspaper

"Remain and reform is wishful thinking – the left should vote leave.
- I hoped the EU would spread social democracy. Instead it has imposed austerity to pay for an unregulated financial system. Working-class people are right to vote against it."

For many undecided in this referendum it is, I believe, based on the lack of reform in the EU. A pity, eh? Imagine what it would be like if the EU was transparent, accountable and flexible. No brainer then I guess, we would all vote in.

https://youtu.be/RHFp3-qE_T8

how trade agreements work- short and to the point.

[tormund]

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	https://youtu.be/RHFp3-qE_T8 how trade agreements work- short and to the point.

Comments are closed on the video. Quelle suprise.

Quelle surprise too that Switzerland have had to give in on

free movement of people from EU
same rules and regs on exports as EU
very large fees
no representation or say at all in Brussels

What would give anyone here the belief that the UK would be able to do better than that (espcially when seen as a 'traitor' by other EU countries)?

[Faltrad]

	Quote:	tormund
	Comments are closed on the video. Quelle suprise.

There must be a video somewhere explaining the contrary. Closing comments means avoiding hate comments in a heated debate. Nobody can blame them for wanting to get their ideas out and leave people thinking in peace without the hate comments, it is the same for the other side. Pas de surprise here.