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View Poll Results: What would you personally prefer to happen?
I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
Voters: 212. You may not vote on this poll

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Agreed- however some of us oldies (68 and 72 here) have always been very open to Europe, and voted accordingly
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All I can see it's people in their fifties and sixties (Corbyn is 69, May is 62, Cameron 52, Farage 54), and I really mean no offence, are deciding on the future of the next generations who might want something totally different in say 10 years from now on. Do they have any idea how different these new generations are? I wouldn't be surprised if younger generations were much more open to the idea of Europe and not so much to the idealised glory of the old empire.
Too right the above people of the aforementioned age's and older generation have absolutely nothing in
common with the millennial generation, with whom they will gladly pass on their dodgy Brexit future
& inheritance !!

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I must say I do love this Tragic-Comedy being played out in Westminster and Brexit Britain at the Brexiteers
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I know, Odile, and please don't think one second I meant people on this thread.
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Agreed. Unfortunately, the 18-24 age group had the lowest voter turnout for the referendum.
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All I can see it's people in their fifties and sixties (Corbyn is 69, May is 62, Cameron 52, Farage 54), and I really mean no offence, are deciding on the future of the next generations who might want something totally different in say 10 years from now on. Do they have any idea how different these new generations are? I wouldn't be surprised if younger generations were much more open to the idea of Europe and not so much to the idealised glory of the old empire.
I think there has never been a time in the last 100 years or more that the youths didn't want something different to what the older generation were doing. It's how society works and its how change happens. Only the next generation will want something different again and everybody who lives long enough gets to see the problem from both sides. Of course it would be good if there was more dialogue and more concensus-seeking.

I don't know what the idealised glory of the old empire has to with it because honestly, the last generation that held the empire dear is long dead. There are other European countries who have a far more acute problem with the glorification of negative periods of their history.
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Agreed. Unfortunately, the 18-24 age group had the lowest voter turnout for the referendum.
Let's hope they get a chance to vote on the Final Deal- and have learnt their lesson

My granchildren are so lucky to have 2 escape routes, with access to both Irish and Swiss passports- of course too young, aged 12 and 8 - to vote. All my nieces and nephews, whose grandparents voted leave- will not have that chance, and all their grand-parents voted leave.

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FAKE NEWS!

They haven't ruled on anything.
They have ...

Britain can unilaterally reverse its decision to leave the EU, Europe’s top court has been told, as Remain supporters try to pave the way for a People’s Vote that would stop Brexit. (From the New European today).
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Britain can unilaterally reverse its decision to leave the EU, Europe’s top court has been told, as Remain supporters try to pave the way for a People’s Vote that would stop Brexit. (From the New European today).
Much though I would like it to be so, this isn't a court ruling. Only a QC's submission.
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Outcry currently as TM refuses to publish the legal documents pertaining to the deal- yes, even from the Telegraph:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...box=1543354929

and for a tragi-comic yellow laugh (as we say in French) - brilliantly prophetic, by Fry and Laurie at their best:

https://youtu.be/b4m_ajuNmSA

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Meanwhile a desperate Brexiteer - keen to insert some good news ready for Brexit Day.

Has placed this advertisement in the gazette:

Patriotic Music Lover will pay Ten million pounds, to the first man to sing Rule Britannia with Piano
accompaniment on top of Mount Everest on 29th March 2019.
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Not Ben Nevis? That’s almost as high as some of the lower bits of the Jura Mountains!
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But you have both personally gained by being eligible to a British passport, as far as I know neither of you were born in the UK. You are what Swiss people would call 'paper Brits' So hardly representative of people born in Britain with only 1 nationally.
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It appears the Council and the Commission are of the view that unanimous agreement is necessary. (From Reuters)
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The advocate gereral’s opinion is promised for 4 December. The day debate begins in Parliament.

My expectation is that Aj will say nothing in Article 50 prohibits a withdrawal which, like the notice, need not the agreement of other member states.

If the Commission doesn’t like it they should clean up the typically bad drafting.
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New European -> FAKE NEWS!
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I think there has never been a time in the last 100 years or more that the youths didn't want something different to what the older generation were doing. It's how society works and its how change happens. Only the next generation will want something different again and everybody who lives long enough gets to see the problem from both sides. Of course it would be good if there was more dialogue and more concensus-seeking.

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That was my point too. I've been studying, working and hanging out with people of all nationalities including British for many years and I can tell you there is a huge difference between certain generations. I can see it even here on EF.

Why shouldn't we always seek consensus when old theories really contradict the way we experiment and see life and society. This forum is many a time, to me at least, a "living proof" that people really live in parallel worlds. I think the new generations are less inclined to live in some concoction other people have made up for them. Brexit or no Brexit (and of course, it's preferable to give people what they voted for, no doubt about this one), the UK will have a different view in ten years, trust me. Of course, it's valid for many other places. Brexit is not the end the world.

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How do you give the people ‘what they voted for’ when 49% of the people voted for something else. And when many of the people, most affected, were not allowed to vote?

Just asking. A rhetorical question.
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Meanwhile a desperate Brexiteer - keen to insert some good news ready for Brexit Day.

Has placed this advertisement in the gazette:

Patriotic Music Lover will pay Ten million pounds, to the first man to sing Rule Britannia with Piano accompaniment on top of Mount Everest on 29th March 2019.
Everest helicopter tours are only around $4,000 per head so you could fly two people up there with an electronic piano for a small fraction of ten million pounds. I doubt they could land but maybe circling the top would be enough?
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Youngsters! Mind your manners!
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Meanwhile a desperate Brexiteer - keen to insert some good news ready for Brexit Day.

Has placed this advertisement in the gazette:

Patriotic Music Lover will pay Ten million pounds, to the first man to sing Rule Britannia with Piano accompaniment on top of Mount Everest on 29th March 2019.
Why is this competition limited to Men?
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