The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[greenmount]

	Quote:	bowlie
	How do you give the people ‘what they voted for’ when 49% of the people voted for something else. And when many of the people, most affected, were not allowed to vote? Just asking. A rhetorical question.

I know you don't expect me or anyone else to answer but yes, it's a valid question.

I'm just a total outsider re. UK and wouldn't give an answer even if I knew it. I learned the hard way to keep my opinions for myself re. a few issues...online.

But as I said, Brexit is not the end of the world.

	Quote:	marton
	Youngsters! Mind your manners!

Sorry Granny - wow, I'm impressed

[aSwissInTheUS]

	Quote:	bowlie
	How do you give the people ‘what they voted for’ when 49% of the people voted for something else. And when many of the people, most affected, were not allowed to vote?

Not even 35% of the voting population was really against Brexit. A wooping 65% said I do not give an f' (and specially no Y or N), I couldn't care less (nor go to the polls), please do whatever the heck you want, or were in favor of Brexit.

Not voting means you will go with the majority. Whatever it takes and the result might be.

[greenmount]

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	Sorry Granny - wow, I'm impressed

Granny? C'mon....probably more like Robert Redford in Our souls at night....

[MusicChick]

	Quote:	greenmount
	That was my point too. I've been studying, working and hanging out with people of all nationalities including British for many years and I can tell you there is a huge difference between certain generations. I can see it even here on EF. Why shouldn't we always seek consensus when old theories really contradict the way we experiment and see life and society. This forum is many a time, to me at least, a "living proof" that people really live in parallel worlds. I think the new generations are less inclined to live in some concoction other people have made up for them.

If people are eager to not seek concensus, they should lift their proverbial behinds from the PS4 or hip virtual Instalives and vote to let their opinion be heard. Blueangel made a point.

You can't argue a point on behalf of a generation that was eligible to vote but did not bother.

"Will anyone think of the children", and I mean the 20yr olds who did not show up to drive their future towards their own interests It was a massive opportunity to learn and I think everyone did.

I don't think it is tragic. But I was raised in a volatile political situation, so take it with a grain of salt.

"Crisis is a chance" said Herbert Frank in Dune, innit.

	Quote:	MusicChick
	You can't argue a point on behalf of a generation that was eligible to vote but did not bother. "Will anyone think of the children", and I mean the 20yr olds who did not show up to drive their future towards their own interests It was a massive opportunity to learn and I think everyone did.

Perfectly valid to fight for the next generation - my granchildren, nieces and nephews - too young to have a vote.

[MusicChick]

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	Perfectly valid to fight for the next generation - my granchildren, nieces and nephews - too young to have a vote.

	Quote:	Blueangel
	Agreed. Unfortunately, the 18-24 age group had the lowest voter turnout for the referendum.

Just in case my post wasn't clear.

[marton]

UK and US have agreed a new Open Skies agreement for post Brexit.

Source

The terms of the agreement are inferior to the rights the UK enjoys as an EU member.
For example tighter restrictions on ownership, tougher terms for new entrants and no special access to the Fly America programme, this allocates tickets for US government employees.

So much for the UK negotiating better deals after Brexit; maybe this will be an exception and other deals will be better?

[John William]

	Quote:	marton
	Everest helicopter tours are only around $4,000 per head so you could fly two people up there with an electronic piano for a small fraction of ten million pounds. I doubt they could land but maybe circling the top would be enough?

No doubt some Brexiteer's will be even more desperate to insert a bit of Brexit good news - after the
scathing economic forecast from the Bank of England today on the effects of Brexit, after leaving the EU.
Particularly in the event of a 'No Deal' Brexit.

Finally I'm sure the Patriotic Music lover would want the Rule Britannia singer and accompanying
Grand Piano, to ascend Everest the hard way !!

That Brexit dividend keeps paying out, eh?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...are-for-brexit

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	That Brexit dividend keeps paying out, eh? https://www.theguardian.com/politics...are-for-brexit

Totally impartial report

“The lobby group Frankfurt Main Finance...”

Yesterday the economy, today security. This doubling down of project fear will continue all the way until the vote in Parliament.

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Totally impartial report “The lobby group Frankfurt Main Finance...” Yesterday the economy, today security. This doubling down of project fear will continue all the way until the vote in Parliament.

The situation is reaping what it has already been sown. It has become acceptable since the initial campaigning to bend and stretch, or even invent information, facts and statistics.

Brexiters weren't unduly bothered about truth and facts when the pendulum was swinging in their favour so why are they all so hysterical now? Remain is coming up with all sorts of information and scenarios but the Leave supporters seem to have gone a bit quiet, apart from poo-pooing whatever the manufacturing industry, banking and business sector says.

They got the leave vote. The final deal will go to the side which comes up with the biggest and most impressive bollocks to sell it to the people.

Reaps what it sows...

Those damn facts again. The report (not by FMF) has confirmed 30 financial institutions will be moving. We can quibble whether their figure of EUR 750m is accurate, but even if they are overegging by a factor of around 10, and we say EUR 100bn of assets move, at 1%, that's revenues of a billion euros lost to the city every year - if we assume a generous average salary of 50k per worker, that's 20,000 jobs down the pan.

[Jim2007]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Totally impartial report “The lobby group Frankfurt Main Finance...” Yesterday the economy, today security. This doubling down of project fear will continue all the way until the vote in Parliament.

And there you have it BREXIT in a nutshell: Trust me nothing bad will happen and everything will be fine, ‘cause we’re so important in the world.

[John William]

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	Those damn facts again. The report (not by FMF) has confirmed 30 financial institutions will be moving. We can quibble whether their figure of EUR 750m is accurate, but even if they are overegging by a factor of around 10, and we say EUR 100bn of assets move, at 1%, that's revenues of a billion euros lost to the city every year - if we assume a generous average salary of 50k per worker, that's 20,000 jobs down the pan.

Well with the Bank of England predicting that the pound could fall by up to 25 per cent in the worst case
( no deal ) scenario, even those financial institutions who choose to tough it out in the UK - will still
be moving out of Sterling and into Euro's, Swiss francs, US dollars, etc, etc.

[John William]

No doubt the Brexiteers will be gathering round to await that sage advice that will no doubt come
out from their JRM guru along the lines of, 'never fear Jacob Rees-Mogg is here'.

[Jim2007]

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	Those damn facts again. The report (not by FMF) has confirmed 30 financial institutions will be moving. We can quibble whether their figure of EUR 750m is accurate, but even if they are overegging by a factor of around 10, and we say EUR 100bn of assets move, at 1%, that's revenues of a billion euros lost to the city every year - if we assume a generous average salary of 50k per worker, that's 20,000 jobs down the pan.

There are three problems with financial services from a BREXIT point of view:

- The EU nor any country for that matter is going to allow a situation where some of the market players are outside their jurisdiction, it is too dangerous for the economy.

- Banks need customers, despite all the they need us more than we need them nonsense and if the customers can’t or won’t come to London after BREXIT, then the banks will have to go to them.

- Services are easy to move, there are no manufacturing plants to transport and the regular risk management exercises that are carried to run on backup facilities make financial services easier to move than most services.

[amogles]

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	Agreed- however some of us oldies (68 and 72 here) have always been very open to Europe, and voted accordingly

I think a lot of Brexit supporters (myself included) are very much in favour of Europe as a political construct built around the principles of common values, free trade, solidarity and friendship between people.

But it is the current EU that is the problem.

I am sure that if the EU could get its act together and reform radically. or at least start moving in the direction of reform, opinions on it will shift too.

	Quote:	amogles
	I think a lot of Brexit supporters (myself included) are very much in favour of Europe as a political construct built around the principles of common values, free trade, solidarity and friendship between people.

The UK in itself isn't even subscribing to those qualities, though.

The government is full of Hooray Henrys protecting their own interests and assets with not much benefit or opportunity to the population.

Easiest thing in the world was to point and say "Ooh, look! It's the EU which is causing all of this!"

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	The UK in itself isn't even subscribing to those qualities, though. The government is full of Hooray Henrys protecting their own interests and assets with not much benefit or opportunity to the population. Easiest thing in the world was to point and say "Ooh, look! It's the EU which is causing all of this!"

The sad thing, and logical conclusion to this MO, is that when the EU can no longer be the fall guy, who will get blamed next? Immigrants are already pretty high on the list of things people believe cause all their woes - I don't like the direction this is likely to go in.