The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in CH

[SOBEIT]

Last Christmas UK gave you their heart but the vey next day the EU took it way.
Next year, to save us from tears
We will walk away and give it back to all in the UK.

Nothing worse than a c*appy, soppy, corny Christmas song, hey

[SOBEIT]

Oh the spirit.

[John William]

	Quote:	SOBEIT
	Oh the spirit.

Just to set the scene here's a typical excerpt of what life could be like in Back to the Future,
Post Brexit Britain.

Shortages bite in Post Brexit Britain

	Quote:	SOBEIT
	Oh the spirit.

Nice Scottish Malt tonight, thanks.

	Quote:	greenmount
	Bollocks. You're sure you'll have a fat pension to live on even if you go back to UK. Plan B is to either go back home or to a cheap(er) country, I suppose. Well, imagine what if you can't do that (no agreements with EU) and you can't stay in CH either because a new Schwarzenbach will come to power and think all your contribution and your life in CH means nothing. All those years you used your education to make a living here and be a member of society here will mean nothing for some politician or party. You think you're safe and it cannot happen to a British citizen, of course.....well, I wouldn't be so sure. Careful what you wish for...

What you’ve described is precisely my point. I have a plan (with a number of variations on it)in case for whatever reason I’m not allowed to live here anymore. I understand that I’m here at the grace of our Swiss hosts.

[greenmount]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	What you’ve described is precisely my point. I have a plan (with a number of variations on it)in case for whatever reason I’m not allowed to live here anymore. .

I would like to believe you are so detached and cool with either way but am almost certain you don't believe a moment such ungracious measures can affect you...you're OK with Trumpian "solutions" because you don't really believe they will be implemented. EF is full of people who have the same attitudes and then start crying and lamenting themselves when they see that things are not exactly what they seemed to be - see Trump's 0 consideration for UK and its interests. America first, UK first, Switzerland first....heh.

	Quote:	Loz1983
	I understand that I’m here at the grace of our Swiss hosts.

You mean like they feed and shelter you for free and you didn't bring anything to the table? Otherwise I can't explain this excess of humbleness.....but hey, each to their own.

[Blueangel]

For anyone who wants a better idea of the timescale of Commons events, the Commons Library have kindly produced this 'roadmap'. We're currently at ... Commons have 'meaningful' vote on the deal.

https://i1.wp.com/commonslibrary.par...map2.png?ssl=1

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk...nal-countdown/

	Quote:	greenmount
	You mean like they feed and shelter you for free and you didn't bring anything to the table? Otherwise I can't explain this excess of humbleness.....but hey, each to their own.

No, I mean that the World owes me nothing. If things turn sour then it's up to me to sort it out, hence the need for a plan.

Oh, looks like Spain has finally joined the EU far-right party!

Spain far-right Vox party gains foothold in Andalusia election

	Quote:	Loz1983
	What you’ve described is precisely my point. I have a plan (with a number of variations on it)in case for whatever reason I’m not allowed to live here anymore. I understand that I’m here at the grace of our Swiss hosts.

Yes, sounds so easy. If you have no partner, no family, no elderly parents, no fabulous friends, no pets, no house and location that you love , no severe health issues ...

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	Loz1983
	No, I mean that the World owes me nothing. If things turn sour then it's up to me to sort it out, hence the need for a plan.

My nan always said that money comes and goes, so the best plan is to be polite, gentle, thoughtful and kind to everyone you meet along the way, because that reputation will hold you in good stead.

In other news...

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	Robert Peston‏Verified account @Peston The immigration split between @theresa_may and @GregClarkMP which explains why white paper won’t be published before the big vote - and why it matters https://www.facebook.com/1498276767163730/posts/2223682857956447/ … 4:18 am - 3 Dec 2018

[bigblue2]

robert peston is an odious self righteous prick

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	bigblue2
	robert peston is an odious self righteous prick

...and that negates the fact that the Commons will be asked to vote without full access to all the relevant information?

	Quote:	Loz1983
	Oh, looks like Spain has finally joined the EU far-right party! Spain far-right Vox party gains foothold in Andalusia election

Just as well they don't have any recent history of fascism there.

[bigblue2]

	Quote:	Blueangel
	...and that negates the fact that the Commons will be asked to vote without full access to all the relevant information?

I would take anything he says with a huge pinch of salt, he loves to be the story rather then report the story, and if its not true just keep repeating it until it is.

	Quote:	Blueangel
	...and that negates the fact that the Commons will be asked to vote without full access to all the relevant information?

Seems to be a common theme in this whole Brexit-wotsit...

[Blueangel]

	Quote:	bigblue2
	I would take anything he says with a huge pinch of salt, he loves to be the story rather then report the story, and if its not true just keep repeating it until it is.

The story is based upon Nick Robinson's interview with Sajid Javid this morning, and a report in the FT 5hrs ago.

	Quote:	bigblue2
	I would take anything he says with a huge pinch of salt, he loves to be the story rather then report the story, and if its not true just keep repeating it until it is.

Fair enough - can you give us the facts then? Do you have any kind of certainty that the Government has any intention at all to share the information with the House before the vote?

Whatever your personal opinion of Peston, or mine - I don't think so, somehow. But if you have facts indicating that they will, please do share.

	Quote:	Blueangel
	My nan always said that money comes and goes, so the best plan is to be polite, gentle, thoughtful and kind to everyone you meet along the way, because that reputation will hold you in good stead.

Afraid that doesn't hold true either.

Just-world fallacy

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	Just as well they don't have any recent history of fascism there.

Makes it all the more incredible that people have voted to go back down that route. Spain and Portugal are the last hold outs on the continent to have not yet succumb to the far-right/populist surge.