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View Poll Results: What would you personally prefer to happen?
I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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Old 03.12.2018, 16:03
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Makes it all the more incredible that people have voted to go back down that route. Spain and Portugal are the last hold outs on the continent to have not yet succumb to the far-right/populist surge.
Andalusians are probably pissed off by the criminal immigrants who have fled their home countries, not bothered to learn the language, are massive drains on their health services and haven't integrated in the slightest.
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British expats- the very best at integrating - from colonial days to today
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Old 03.12.2018, 17:17
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Fair enough - can you give us the facts then? Do you have any kind of certainty that the Government has any intention at all to share the information with the House before the vote?

Whatever your personal opinion of Peston, or mine - I don't think so, somehow. But if you have facts indicating that they will, please do share.
Ermmm, ok.

How does take everything peston says with a liberal dose of salt mean I have any idea what the bunch of self serving twats in westminster are going to do

Anyone know the price of fish at the moment?
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Old 03.12.2018, 19:59
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Well no- not helped by the Attorney General being in contempt of the House today, refusing to release the legal advice re the deal, very bombastically- saying on the one hand 'nothing to see here' and on the other 'far too serious and sensitive to be shared- and would seriously damage our country'...

'As flagged by Labour spokespeople during television interviews yesterday and today, a letter has gone to Speaker of the House of Commons John Bercow, asking him to begin contempt of Parliament proceedings against the government.

The call has been signed by six opposition parties – including the DUP, the government’s former ‘confidence and supply’ support.

Theresa May has withheld the government’s full legal advice on her Brexit deal from MPs, even though she failed to contest a Commons decision to order its release, with not one Tory MP voting against it.

Contempt of Parliament is a serious offence that can result in custodial sentences for non-MPs – and the expulsion of members of Parliament, vacating their seat and causing by-elections. For a government to face such a charge for ignoring the will of Parliament is unprecedented. According to the BBC’s Iain Watson, John Bercow intends to decide the issue very rapidly and possibly even this evening.
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so we have little choice but to take information from where it comes from, and Peston seems quite informed, somehow. But, yes again, we have to take every bit of info at the moment with a large dose of salt, whether from the AG- Mrs May, Rees-Mogg, Andrew Marr, or Peston, etc, or anyone else for that matter

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Old 03.12.2018, 20:58
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Theresa May has withheld the government’s full legal advice on her Brexit deal from MPs, even though she failed to contest a Commons decision to order its release, with not one Tory MP voting against it.
The AG is the government’s chief legal officer, he advises the government, no parliament and there is obligation on the government to disclose legal advice the receive as it would set a very dangerous precedent.
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then why did they not oppose the request at the time, in the House? Tories were whipped to abstain - leading Anna Soubry to ask 'who is in charge, the Government or ERG'.

Having watched the Attorney General in action in the Commons as Tom Brake said behaving like 'Rumpole of the Bailey', telling people questioning him to 'grow up' - it is nothing but contempt of parliament. As Hilary Benn it wasn’t the opinion of the Commons but the will of the Commons that the full legal guidance should be shared with everyone in the Commons before the vote on 11th December.

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Will this never end?

Speculation now is that if May doesn’t lose by too much, say only 30 or 40 votes or so we’ll have a second vote in Parliament. It would take a loss by 100 or more to sink this turkey.
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Old 03.12.2018, 22:43
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From BBC News:

The UK government may have broken Parliamentary rules by not publishing Brexit legal advice, the Commons Speaker has said.

John Bercow said "there is an arguable case" that a contempt of Parliament has been committed.

It means MPs will debate and vote on Tuesday on whether or not to refer the case to the Standards Committee.

This is likely to delay the start of the debate on Theresa May's Brexit deal.

This breaking news story is being updated and more details will be published shortly.


And to make matters worse- from the Independent:

Sajid Javid angers MPs by saying government's immigration plans will not be published before Brexit vote

MPs brand decision 'shocking and unacceptable'

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Oh, ECJ's advocate general seems to think that Article 50 can be unilaterally revoked.

Advocate General Campos Sánchez-Bordona proposes that the Court of Justice should declare that Article 50 TEU allows the unilateral revocation of the notification of the intention to withdraw from the EU
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Old 04.12.2018, 09:47
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Thank you, you beat me to it
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You British have chosen the best choice. The EU is doomed:

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Old 04.12.2018, 10:33
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You British have chosen the best choice. The EU is doomed:
What has that to do with the EU? Despite the wholly misleading presentation it is a UN initiative they are talking about and not EU. Oh and it doesn't do any of the things they appear to be complaining about.

BTW, don't you just love the way they present de Graaff like he is some sort of EU spokesperson and talking about EU policy and not a nutter ultra-right wing Dutch politician talking about something else entirely.

BTW2, 180 countries initially signed up for the UN pact including the UK. There's been a few back out since though.

Afterthought - this really is a classic example of how Fox and the like completely distort their reporting.
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So the ECJ’s AG has concluded in his interpretations of EU and international law that an Article 50 notice can be unilaterally withdrawn.

The European Commission did not want this, believing the other 27 had to agree. HMG did not want this, believing the question was moot because they would never withdraw the notice.

It may, however, be the only solution that will keep May as PM and won’t require a general election (which would destroy the Conservative party.

C’mon May, withdraw the notice. You guys are not ready. Nothing prevents you from notifying again under Artice 50 if that is what the people want.
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No, I mean that the World owes me nothing. If things turn sour then it's up to me to sort it out, hence the need for a plan.
Of course "the World" (meaning CH in our case) owes you nothing if you gave "it" nothing. At one point we were not even talking about a hypothetical case of choosing a random country after retirement. You made it clear that the Swiss authorities should be allowed to take whatever decision regardless...please read those posts again, maybe you'll clarify your position.
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Of course "the World" (meaning CH in our case) owes you nothing if you gave "it" nothing. At one point we were not even talking about a hypothetical case of choosing a random country after retirement. You made it clear that the Swiss authorities should be allowed to take whatever decision regardless...please read those posts again, maybe you'll clarify your position.
I didn't make it clear that Swiss authorities should be able to take whatever decision regardless. I said that circumstances can change so that you're not allowed (able to) live here anymore.
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Andalusians are probably pissed off by the criminal immigrants who have fled their home countries, not bothered to learn the language, are massive drains on their health services and haven't integrated in the slightest.
No worries, after Brexit they will likely go home
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No worries, after Brexit they will likely go home
We don't want them either.
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QUOTE from Loz1983 - Oh, ECJ's advocate general seems to think that Article 50 can be unilaterally revoked.

Advocate General Campos Sánchez-Bordona proposes that the Court of Justice should declare that Article 50 TEU allows the unilateral revocation of the notification of the intention to withdraw from the EU/QUOTE


Good - if the ECJ upholds this opinion, then we can all lobby our MP's to withdraw Article 50 - at which point Brexit would have never happened and we can all shut up shop ( namely close down this thread ) and go home !!


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Good - if the ECJ upholds this opinion, then we can all lobby our MP's to withdraw Article 50 - at which point Brexit would have never happened and we can all shut up shop ( namely close down this thread ) and go home !!
Except while the UK have been out of the room playing silly buggers there have been a few changes... like no more budget rebates going forward...
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Geoffrey Cox endearing himself to the House - on both sides ...

https://youtu.be/0y0cAtNsN5Q

I wonder what Mrs May thought of his bombastic performance (mind you at £800 an hour for his services- he had to put on a 'good' show, I suppose).

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